And this is why it's so rare to have a thread full of people coming to the defense of a car salesman.No one is twisting their arms to buy with ADM’s… it’s the dealers Bronco… they paid for it… now people pay the price or walk…. Simple…. Someone will step up to the plate and buy… always have always will…
There have been numerous screen shots showing the original Terms and Conditions and the changed Terms and Conditions. Ford Motor Company knew in the first 24 hours where orders were going and how many they received and shared some of those numbers with the press. After over a year of taking reservations without changing the reservation system (outside of quietly updating the Terms of Service) where they could have easily removed the dealer selection process they continued to let it go.
I don't believe that to be true at all.
It's more than a few internet posts. And if customers weren't given the freedom to initially choose which dealer they wanted (oops, sorry about that Ford), your 99% figure wouldn't even be close to accurate. Dealers weren't supposed to *wink*wink* add ADM to those reserved Broncos, but it absolutely has happened. I had to contact 7 different dealers in my area about the Bronco. 3 never got back to me, 3 wouldn't promise MSRP, and then I went with the one who did.
haha, sorry you got that impression, as I said, before the reveal Ford was never even on my radar when looking for cars and and I only watched the reveal because my son told me about it. If the Bronco (or something similar) were built by Toyota I'd be just as happy.
look, I never said the dealer network is perfect by any means. Nor have I denied the sleaziness that exists. I get it. Ford and the management of their dealer network definitely had a part in this problem. But that problem has been around for decades. It's a broken system that definitely contributed to the mess.
You've been presented with facts numerous times and you choose to ignore them. I'm not sure if you have an axe to grind with certain dealers or what your motivation is exactly. Ford Motor Company built the system that everyone used to place a reservation and then changed course without accepting the real consequences and impact on customers that have been more than patient. Whether a dealer was able to accumulate 5000 orders or only 5 makes no difference. Ford's own reservation page allowed that to happen and set the expectation to customers that they could choose any dealer.
I'm fairly confident that if these dealers had information from Ford that 2021 orders would not be filled until possibly 2023/2024, they would have done that and notified their customers immediately. These assumptions you keep making aren't really backed up by what we know. Like I said, I have no skin in this game, and if Ford wants to go back to their normal allocation system like they used to, it's their company. But that should be applied going forward, not retroactively. Take the dealers out of this equation: they are punishing their customers, most of which are the most loyal Bronco fans around, who did absolutely nothing wrong except shop around and get a good deal under the rules that Ford themselves set.
People have realized that in large numbers we have power over these companies that have seemingly held reign over these processes for years. Monkeys together strong. It's basically the unionization of buyers in order to leverage a more favorable market for consumers, but yeah spin it how you want.
The plan was Orders/Reservations would be filled based on date regardless of allocation. The allocation stipulation was added after the process had begun. The plan was to get Bronco's to people who reserved them, which seems to have changed in favor of pushing stock/orders to large dealerships.
When were you not able to select a preferred dealer? When placing the reservation, the system was set up to plug in a dealer based on your zip. All you had to do is select your chosen dealer and then save.
I have to laugh every time I see someone put this up as though its a bad thing. Go over to the other site. They'll tell you if you're buying a Bronco, your a Ford apologist.
I'm saying if Ford had set up a system to prevent something like this happening, as opposed to the system they set up.
Tim Bartz at Long McArthur Ford has been posting weekly update videos for a while and he's made it clear that dealers get updated regularly and are aware of everything going on. Other dealers are getting pissed off at them because they share so much info. This is why its hard for the dealer to play innocent.
