Why is the Toyota 4runner "behind?"

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We have a 2020 4Runner TRD Pro in Army Green. For 51K, it still rocks halogen headlamps (rectified for 2021), a 5 speed auto, and a v6 that dates back to 2003. It is outdated and overpriced for what it is. Yet, many people still love it. Why? Because it holds onto a simpler era of midsize body on frame SUVs that are all but gone.. The lifted cars and three-row lifted station wagons that call themselves SUVs have taken over the market. Almost everything is called an SUV, though in name only. These are SUV posers. The 4Runner is no poser. It is in a class alone. It is a dinosaur that should be extinct. It is old-school, and there is nothing else like it still being sold. It's the SUV equivalent to a Harley.





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i’ve read online somewhere that toyota is considering reviving the fj
 

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My wife just took delivery of her Off Road Pro on Monday.

It's light years ahead of anything we own. Ha.

She didn't want all the fanciest tech and bells and whistles anyway. Just wanted a new, solid, reliable truck that looks. 4Runner fit the bill.
 

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i’ve read online somewhere that toyota is considering reviving the fj
The new 4Runner is due in 2023. They could use the platform to make a modern, retro FJ this time with removable roof and doors. However, where would that leave the 4Runner? I know they sold both during the last FJ's production since they shared a platform, but apparently Toyota brass back then felt there was no need for 2 mid size body on frame SUVs in their line-up. Maybe they could make the 4Runner have a removable roof like the first ones from 80s and kill two birds with one stone.
 

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How come Toyota is behind when it comes to their powertrains and transmissions for their 4runner?

The platform has not been changed since 2010. On paper, the 4runner may lag behind in both power and fuel economy. Even the base 2.3 EcoBoost on the Bronco has better power outputs and potentially better gas mileage.

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They favor reliability and the drivetrain is bulletproof. I have a 2012 Tacoma with 230k on the odometer and have had zero issues outside of wheel bearings (which is a known effect of running wheels with enough offset to allow 33s). My wife has an 08 4Runner with 260k on the odometer and the only Thing that has needed repair was the alternator.
 

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I didn't read all six pages of this thread so forgive me if there was more information, but what was "wrong" about the FJ? I liked them and mostly liked driving one we had in stock used. The FJ, to me, seems dimensionally and functionally the same as the Bronco. It was the first car I thought of when I saw it, actually, and part of why I plan to get one as I never owned a Bronco nor liked the late year models.
I think it over-promised and under-delivered. The roof looked like it should come off, but didn't. The exterior looked like the interior should be spacious, but it was cramped. I tried to look past all of that when I could have bought a new one for pretty cheap back in 2013, but the final nail in the coffin was abysmal visibility. The thing has massive pillars and wasn't very fun to drive.

What's most disappointing to me is that the FJ was a swing and a miss at something that could have been great, and it really sucked (especially at the time) to know it would be a while before you'd get a do-over. Kinda like going to see a reboot or sequel of your favorite film, hating it, and then realizing you've got to wait forever for someone to try to make it right again. That's the same feeling I get looking at the new Defender. What a waste of effort.
 

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I think it over-promised and under-delivered. The roof looked like it should come off, but didn't. The exterior looked like the interior should be spacious, but it was cramped. I tried to look past all of that when I could have bought a new one for pretty cheap back in 2013, but the final nail in the coffin was abysmal visibility. The thing has massive pillars and wasn't very fun to drive.
True, it wasn't as large inside as one would think and the visibility was plain bad. It felt vaguely Humvee though that's the only vehicle that was boxy and had bad visibility so that might not be a good comparison. The top, now that you mention it, did look like it was supposed to come off or at least partially come off.

I did like that the rear cargo area was hard plastic meant for real use and there was a power inverter.
 

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How come Toyota is behind when it comes to their powertrains and transmissions for their 4runner?

The platform has not been changed since 2010. On paper, the 4runner may lag behind in both power and fuel economy. Even the base 2.3 EcoBoost on the Bronco has better power outputs and potentially better gas mileage.

Thoughts?
Lack of competition.

I've mentioned in another thread Ford missed an opportunity. Knowing the Bronco was in the pipeline, they should have angled the Ranger to attack the Tacoma, establishing a foothold in the off road segment. Noone gives a F about how a Ranger handles on the street.
 

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The new Blazer is just terrible as is the Trax. Chevrolet styling in general is about as appealing as a Lexus front end.
 

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... (the FJ) felt vaguely Humvee though that's the only vehicle that was boxy and had bad visibility so that might not be a good comparison.
Yeah I completely agree and had the same thought the first time I sat in one. Felt like an H2 or something.
 

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You can say the 4 runner is behind and it maybe, but it sells well and it is for me the main other vehical I would consider getting to the bronco. I could see getting both.
 

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Why put money in a product that sells year after year, when gas price was going through the roof. Besides, Toyota was investing a ton of cash to jump-start a little side project we all see as the Prius jamming up the left lane as a reminder. At the same time, a crapload more into electricfing their whole lineup on their way to becoming the #1 car manufacturer in the world. Winning...
 

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