Will you buy the 2 or 4 door?

Buying 2 or 4 door?


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I find it hilarious when people try to pull this bullshit about "3% of sales"... it seems they never account for the fact that only 11% of cars made were even available with a manual, and when you consider that most of the ones that ARE offered in manual are sold in low volume, and then add in the fact that dealerships refuse to stock them, meaning they can ONLY be custom ordered...

It's not that people don't want manuals, its that manufacturers won't give them to us
you just proved my point. 11% of cars were made wit manuals yet only 3% Were sold. Meaning 8% weren’t Sold. And you can’t look at the best selling sports car in the world to compare to. I used a car In the same class. And odds are the new trans that’s Being made for the bronco will be used in over seas Rangers and trollers and the next gen base Mustang.

manuals have become pointless now. Autos are faster, more fuel efficient, smaller and more hybrid friendly. The only advantage for manuals is enthusiast and cost (but that’s offset due to volume)

all of the major high end sports cars are abandoning the manual. Just a matter of time till they are completely axed.
No, that's not AT ALL how statistics work

I'm both curious and bored, so I did some more research to expand on this...

Without accounting for individual trim levels (which would skew the numbers even more in favor of manuals), 2,824,685 of the cars sold were in a model that was available with a manual... 44 different models made had an available manual option. Only 9 of those models were high volume sellers (selling over 100k cars a year). 15 of them were extremely low volume sellers, selling less than 10k units... in fact, 2 of them were SO low volume that the manufacturers didn't even release sales figures. There were 17,047,725 cars sold in 2019, and assuming that 3% number is dead accurate (I can't find a source for that), that means 511,431 manual cars were sold in 2019. So even looking past the issue of dealership availability, that still means that about 20% of people who had the option chose a manual... meaning that if EVERY car were offered with a manual, there's a chance that 3,409,545 cars bought in 2019 would have been manuals.

Again, people want manuals, it's not our fault that manufacturers and dealerships won't give them to us. Manuals aren't pointless... no matter what you do with an auto, it won't have the level of driver engagement and pure fun of a manual
 

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Voted 4 door because it is a must for a family vehicle for me right now. I have a 1970 bronco sport 302, and I would love to have a 2 door to match it, but I need something to haul the family. I am glad they are making the 2 door though, and if I had unlimited cash I would own both!
 

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I really want the two door and always have. However, seeing how short the two door is going to be I might have to reconsider. The four door has a good wheel base for a four door. I want mine for long trips and if the two door is going to have only a bit more space then a two door Wrangler then that's just not enough space. I'll have to wait and see how much actual space the two has. Hopefully you can take the back seats out and it all lays flat.

I still put down two door as that's always been what I've wanted and am still 90% sure I will.
 

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Wut? The Wrangler has 2.0t with 270lbft and 3.6 with 260lbft both manuals on the Sport trim. And the manual in the Rubicon trim is the same trans as the sport. So I fail to see your point.
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No.

The 2.0L produces 270hp and 295lbft of torque, which puts it outside the manual's capacity. This is the 'default' engine that FCA/Jeep requires dealers to predominantly order. Add in the diesel with 442lbft which is way outside the manual's range, as is the upcoming hybrid, and the majority of the offerings are incapable of safely being paired with the manual. Only their oldest, weakest engine in a vehicle that is heavier than ever works with it.
 

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2 door 97-100” WB
4 door 110-114” WB

tough to get SUPER accurate but gives you an idea.

ohhh I get your point. But why? Makes the back seats IMPOSSIBLE to access then.
Because Bronco's... IMHO... are suppose to be 2 door. I would also get it with rear seat delete. The extra wheelbase would make it more stable and add some to the towing capacity.... and most importantly... give me more cargo area and provide a bigger space to stretch out a bit and take a nap when I'm road tripping to my hunting and fishing spots.

Get the 4 door and shave the rear door handles. Then the rest of us will know what it would look like. LOL
Not sure that will happen
 

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Again, people want manuals, it's not our fault that manufacturers and dealerships won't give them to us. Manuals aren't pointless... no matter what you do with an auto, it won't have the level of driver engagement and pure fun of a manual
I would prefer a manual transmission myself. What I have found when looking at most manufacturers is that those that do offer manuals limit them to the lower trim levels and an automatic becomes a forced 'option' (talk about an oxymoron) if you want any creature comforts at all. I suspect the take rate on manuals would be much higher without that limitation. Sadly, emissions and safety gadgets favor things such as automatics, throttle by wire, and so on. God forbid I pick a gear and load that might pollute 0.2% more than some arbitrary standard. The manual transmission will eventually go away and if I am forced to take an automatic to get the strongest engine or higher trim level in a Bronco, I will have to think long and hard about which way to go. As to the 2/4 door question, depends on the size of the cargo area in the two door, will wait and see on that.
 

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No, that's not AT ALL how statistics work

I'm both curious and bored, so I did some more research to expand on this...

Without accounting for individual trim levels (which would skew the numbers even more in favor of manuals), 2,824,685 of the cars sold were in a model that was available with a manual... 44 different models made had an available manual option. Only 9 of those models were high volume sellers (selling over 100k cars a year). 15 of them were extremely low volume sellers, selling less than 10k units... in fact, 2 of them were SO low volume that the manufacturers didn't even release sales figures. There were 17,047,725 cars sold in 2019, and assuming that 3% number is dead accurate (I can't find a source for that), that means 511,431 manual cars were sold in 2019. So even looking past the issue of dealership availability, that still means that about 20% of people who had the option chose a manual... meaning that if EVERY car were offered with a manual, there's a chance that 3,409,545 cars bought in 2019 would have been manuals.

Again, people want manuals, it's not our fault that manufacturers and dealerships won't give them to us. Manuals aren't pointless... no matter what you do with an auto, it won't have the level of driver engagement and pure fun of a manual
you are assuming that’s grandma in here Buick Suv is going to buy a manual. The take rate on manuals drops every year. Yes not EVERY model has a manual because no one was buying them.
Auto makers would LOVE to sell more manuals because they cost less. But because autos are better in every way people are buying them more meaning dealerships don’t want them.

my grandfather in law die hard corvette guy. Owned many manuals. But just got a new auto c7 because “it’s easier”

once again there is only 2 reasons why people buy manuals, cost and enthusiasts.
That’s why the cars with manuals are basic cars like a Ford Fiesta or a sports car like a focus RS and Mustang.
 

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Because Bronco's... IMHO... are suppose to be 2 door. I would also get it with rear seat delete. The extra wheelbase would make it more stable and add some to the towing capacity.... and most importantly... give me more cargo area and provide a bigger space to stretch out a bit and take a nap when I'm road tripping to my hunting and fishing spots.



Not sure that will happen
I hear you on the “should be a 2 door” but getting anything into a back area with only 2 doors would be tough. Would be really cool tho.
 

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Because Bronco's... IMHO... are suppose to be 2 door. I would also get it with rear seat delete. The extra wheelbase would make it more stable and add some to the towing capacity.... and most importantly... give me more cargo area and provide a bigger space to stretch out a bit and take a nap when I'm road tripping to my hunting and fishing spots.



Not sure that will happen
I feel like a good middle ground that would be possible, but probably not plausible, would be an extended or half door model. Much like the FJ with small suicide doors.
 

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I feel like a good middle ground that would be possible, but probably not plausible, would be an extended or half door model. Much like the FJ with small suicide doors.
those doors are stupid tho. just like the RX8.
What about like the old Chevy trucks or Hyundai Voloster.
1 door on the driver side. 2 on passenger
 

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This. I don't see them developing a whole new trans with Getrag JUST for the base model, that would be a weird use of money. That's the main reason I'm fairly hopeful we'll see the manual at least on all the non-hybrid versions.

Give me my 2.7TT Manual trans 2dr Bronco Raptor!
 

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If the two door had an access cab set up I would get it... but 4 door.
 

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I will be getting a 4 door for various practical reasons and some performance. I must say however that before, I had not at all considered a 2 door, it was out of the question, but having seen this in the flesh now I have at least entertained the idea :)
 

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Gotta get the 4 door, I've got 4 kids. I would really want the 2 door, but the 4 door is a necessity.
I think this thread points out why the 2 door SUV is dying. Many people here like the 2 door better, that's where my heart is. The 4 door just fits my life and family better.
 








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