Will you defer placing an order and ultimately delivery of your reserved Bronco is there is not a hybrid avail?

[Bestdayever]

Well you are talking about charging a Tesla battery which isn't a hybrid.

Hybrids and electric cars are different things

Yes that is true. But the initial cost of hybrid and the purchase and installation of a replacement battery should be factored in the equation. The Fusion hybrid comes with a home charger and cord.

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[Squatch]

5. Saying “I could care less” and “I couldn’t care less” are both equally excepted for the same meaning.

Maybe for you dirty-hippie descriptive linguists.

 

[BroncBro]

Maybe for you dirty-hippie descriptive linguists.

Lol! No, I just quickly google searched it.

 

[Jdc]

I had a short commute(pre-pandemic) and would take a plugin hybrid if the price was right.

 

[Straight 6]

Yes that is true. But the initial cost of hybrid and the purchase and installation of a replacement battery should be factored in the equation. The Fusion hybrid comes with a home charger and cord.

The fusion hybrid can't be plugged in to charge. Many hybrids never plug in to anything.

The hybrid energi or whatever ford calls the plug in version does come with a cord

Accounting for a replacement battery on a hybrid is like accounting for a replacement transmission on an automatic..... But the warranty on a hybrid battery is more than double a transmission warranty

 

[Squatch]

The fusion hybrid can't be plugged in to charge. Many hybrids never plug in to anything.

The hybrid energi or whatever ford calls the plug in version does come with a cord

Accounting for a replacement battery on a hybrid is like accounting for a replacement transmission on an automatic..... But the warranty on a hybrid battery is more than double a transmission warranty

My dad's first automatic, 1992 Ford Explorer 4wd, went 140k miles before needing any servicing. Warranty length is not a good metric to compare parts.

 

[Moze]

No. But, I will trade this one in for the EV version when it's available. Hybrid is cool for range/mileage extension or torque/hp boosting, but that's not a big enough advantage to cause me to wait. EV is pure game changing. Plus, I'm a fan of US automakers (old and new) owning EV & auto-drive tech innovation.

 

[BroncBro]

If an 8-10 mpg savings over the life of the vehicle doesn't make up for the battery production (and it can be recycled)

Over 100k miles
15 mpg 6666 gallons
25 mpg 4000 gallons

You don't think saving 2600 gallons of fuel could make a difference?

Plus the hybrid could be faster than the regular version
I don't get the hate for hybrids, if it's faster and more efficient what is there not to like?

Electric vehicles aren’t as environmentally friendly as the manufacturer makes them out to be. There is just such a demand for them and so many people pushing it that don’t understand the totality of what it takes to make an EV. All they look at is the window of after their construction and in the consumers hands......


“A battery that weighs around 1,000 pounds and is the single most expensive component in an EV -- is that the metals to build the battery are mined in just a handful of countries, using methods that are far from environmentally friendly”

“Researchers are finding that battery production for electric cars ultimately produces more carbon dioxide -- up to 74 percent more -- than an efficient conventional car if those batteries are produced in a factory powered by fossil fuels”

Do yourself a favor and look up some articles on mining for electric batteries. It’s insanely gross, toxic, and very destructive. It devastated the environment around the mines. It will blow your mind.

 

[Bestdayever]

The fusion hybrid can't be plugged in to charge. Many hybrids never plug in to anything.

The hybrid energi or whatever ford calls the plug in version does come with a cord

Accounting for a replacement battery on a hybrid is like accounting for a replacement transmission on an automatic..... But the warranty on a hybrid battery is more than double a transmission warranty

**Ford.com**
The Fusion Plug-in Hybrid has three modes that let you choose gas, electric or a combination of both. Auto EV mode uses plug-in power when possible and switches to the gas engine when needed. In EV Now mode, the vehicle operates mostly using plug-in power. The EV Later mode saves plug-in power for future use. There are also the convenient MyFord® Mobile* app and the myfordmobile.com website, where you can monitor and schedule charging for your vehicle from just about anywhere to help you extend your battery range. With a full charge, the Fusion Plug-in Hybrid has an EPA-estimated electric-only driving range of 26 miles. With a full charge

 

[edgeflyer]

If an 8-10 mpg savings over the life of the vehicle doesn't make up for the battery production (and it can be recycled)

Over 100k miles
15 mpg 6666 gallons
25 mpg 4000 gallons

You don't think saving 2600 gallons of fuel could make a difference?

Plus the hybrid could be faster than the regular version
I don't get the hate for hybrids, if it's faster and more efficient what is there not to like?

You should really round the 15 mpg number to 6670. We would all grade on a curve.

 

[tyrobronco]

Picked "Other". I couldn't care less about a hybrid - but that wasn't an option. All electric could be intriguing - so I will see what the 2035 model has - but as for now, ICE, ICE baby!

 

[Straight 6]

**Ford.com**
The Fusion Plug-in Hybrid has three modes that let you choose gas, electric or a combination of both. Auto EV mode uses plug-in power when possible and switches to the gas engine when needed. In EV Now mode, the vehicle operates mostly using plug-in power. The EV Later mode saves plug-in power for future use. There are also the convenient MyFord® Mobile* app and the myfordmobile.com website, where you can monitor and schedule charging for your vehicle from just about anywhere to help you extend your battery range. With a full charge, the Fusion Plug-in Hybrid has an EPA-estimated electric-only driving range of 26 miles. With a full charge

Not that it really matters since the fusion is dead
That's the plug in hybrid, ford called that the energi
They also had a regular hybrid without a plug

There were 2 hybrids, one with plug one without and now they're all dead

Great job showing that the plug in version has a plug ?

 

[Straight 6]

Electric vehicles aren’t as environmentally friendly as the manufacturer makes them out to be. There is just such a demand for them

On the demand bit I'm not sure that's true. There are very few electric options and very low sales numbers even with a $7500 tax credit
People don't want electric cars, and makers don't build interesting electric cars

 

[Staticclism]

I'm mostly curious if the rumor that they'll offer a plugin hybrid with a manual comes through (and how ungodly expensive it'll be over the non-hybrid versions). I posted in another thread awhile back some links to the Getrag website about the hybrid/EV compatible 7-speed manual they have in the works. If that does end up being the case I'll definitely be waiting for one of those. Best of all worlds.

 

[quattroa4m]

If an 8-10 mpg savings over the life of the vehicle doesn't make up for the battery production (and it can be recycled)

Over 100k miles
15 mpg 6666 gallons
25 mpg 4000 gallons

You don't think saving 2600 gallons of fuel could make a difference?

Plus the hybrid could be faster than the regular version
I don't get the hate for hybrids, if it's faster and more efficient what is there not to like?

You might consider factoring in the cost per kWh for electricity to charge the battery and the declining efficiency of the battery with time. That “8-10 mpg” won’t be linear over 100k miles.

Then there’s the fact that 63% of the electricity consumed in the USA is generated by fossil fuels and an additional (gasp) 20% is generated by nuclear reactors. That leaves a paltry 17% of electric being generated by renewable sources.

So unless you live in an area of the country that has electricity that was generated from 100% renewable energy, you’re still part of the fossil fuel problem. Worse, you’re part of the spent nuclear fuel problem that no one has a solution for (toxic for generations).

And of course, the USA doesn’t have the Generation capacity necessary to support a sudden shift toward hybrid/all-electric vehicles. But that’s a story for a different time.

And by the way, electricity generated by renewable sources is substantially more expensive than traditional fossil fuel sources. So as that shift occurs toward a higher percentage of electricity from renewable sources, your operational costs will rise as well.

Do all the math. There are no free rides with hybrids and all-electric solutions.

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