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comments such as this - regardless of "side" are baseless opinions guised as facts. No one of us is culturally objective, and we would all do well to leave that stuff enough alone. Opinions on specific news orgs "integrity" are categorically unrelated to the intent of the thread. (touché on...

I had been contemplating switchting to a Bronco the last couple of days... Day 1 reservation holder... walked away at order/convert time due to MIC looming fiasco. Bought an X3 M40i...last year - found an allocation and custom ordered - picked it up at the factory 2 months later. No muss, no...

wet-vac while it is all still frozen.

It was always only marketing and market research. Ford thanks you for your sacrifice.

bwaaaahahahahaa.... "comparing my Bronco to a Gladiator Rubicon Diesel... the Rubicon was ok inside, steering was better than I expected, and the roof made a little noise. I wouldn't want to be in the backseat for long, but on longer trips with my Bronco, I get blisters on my feet."...

IF true… Ford literally has no idea what they are doing. I think one can officially say that this is the worst vehicle launch of all time. Man- it must be a superfun place to work in middle management right aboutnnow.

If it's waterproof, you could drape it over your MIC top at night. .. ?? Ford thinking ahead-behind.

It looks like they will widen the track - they have to. I also don't know about 2 door unless it has a longer wheelbase than the rest of the 2-door Bronco range. I remember getting a Ford Escape as a rental in the first or second year they were out. It had more torque and pep than the track...

What I really want to see is 0-60 w/ a 2.7 Bronco 4 door and a 4runner TRD or Limited or... whatever. I really want Toyota to see a 4runner get embarrassed. We all know that these are not street racers, but in big cities with heavy interstate traffic, acceleration and torque matter.

touché on the value/cost observation. You are not really wrong. Apple products are the foundation of my job. hahahaaa.. Buuuttt… Steve Jobs created a segment-leading market desire for a product that had not yet existed - several times over.

Haha... I know what it is, but it looks like a $23,000 vehicle, max. hahahahaaaa... Ford has Steve Jobs'd this crap. I bought into it - for a while.

So you know for a fact that none of the Broncos in MAP holding leak? haahahahahaa… ok. edit: I am growing a brain AND learning to read. We both agree that a design flaw (and not a manufacturing flaw) would mean that ‘22 models would be prone to leaking. I do not KNOW that ‘21 models are...

Does someone want to let Levine know that you “kick up” dust or “stir up” dust or the like? Unless you harness and control the sun, the moisture in the immediate environment, and/or an industrial scale dehumidifier, one is quite unlikely to “make” dust. Unless he is talking about shedding skin...

I think you are missing the point. It is the fact that the water would be in the vehicle undetected for MONTHS undetected on the MAP lot.

Mice are a concern - as is water damage/mildew if yours is a top that leaks - that would be found on a dealer lot. NO ONE will know if it is happening on Dirt Mountain. Those concerns aside, the issue is that - like it or not, if you take delivery of a '21 vehicle in '22, you already have a...

It should be a video of a 4runner next to an empty spot in the dirt. - or a video of a 4runner navigating the trail followed by someone pushing a printed out FORD apology letter over each obstacle.

"Look at this shiny bobble over here! Isn't it pretty!?"

Turbo V6 4runner.

The only way you quit loosing money in this is to walk away - let the market correct itself. Don't let Ford be rewarded for this behavior as a product manufacturer. They can take the hit, and they should - or they will not bat an eye at doing the same thing over and over in years to come. IF...

Bottom Line: Until all of you with orders walk in and cancel, nothing will change. Period. You, collectively, are the market. You really do hold the power, but it would have to be en mass. The Dirt Diggler Edition Broncos in limbo - some of them should be treated as flood cars - but how...