Mike Levine response to what will happen to vehicles on Dirt Mountain while waiting for MIC tops

[AwakeOnABus]

Mice are a concern - as is water damage/mildew if yours is a top that leaks - that would be found on a dealer lot. NO ONE will know if it is happening on Dirt Mountain.

Those concerns aside, the issue is that - like it or not, if you take delivery of a '21 vehicle in '22, you already have a compounded depreciation hit - because '22 models of the same vehicle will also be hitting the market. If you bought a "new old stock" that had been sitting on the lot, you would factor that into your buying agreement. Ford, as of yet, has not seemed to be concerned that you, the buyer, are going to take that hit for them.

For the "I just have to have it" crowd, that is fine. For those who don't like being "had", it probably means letting the vehicle go. Buying a dirt mountain Bronco to do anything but flip it (if the market scarcity holds) is a bad business move... but.... .. .... it's a Bronco and most won't care.

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[WCP-82]

Ok I’m lost. how can you owe money on a car that has not been sold ? I known I’m going to get shit for this but this is new to me.

It isn't me but @mpeugeot bought through military auto service. I believe he had to purchase at time of build completion and now his Bronco is stuck in the dirt lot but payments are still due.

 

[Funkdoobiest]

They need to build a Astro Dome.

Or a Silver Dome?

 

[mpeugeot]

Ok I’m lost. how can you owe money on a car that has not been sold ? I known I’m going to get shit for this but this is new to me.

The military auto source program requires payment 30 days in advance of delivery. So when I got my build date, the payment was made by my bank. My bank is unhappy that they don't have a copy of the title yet. So that's going to get interesting soon.

 

[myrealname123]

The military auto source program requires payment 30 days in advance of delivery. So when I got my build date, the payment was made by my bank. My bank is unhappy that they don't have a copy of the title yet. So that's going to get interesting soon.

I used MAS three times when I was in Korea (lived there a long time). Waiting for a car to take a ship across the Pacific is nothing compared to this CF.

 

[dgorsett]

True story. In 2012 I owned a MINI Cooper Countryman. Single family home built in 2005, two car garage. We had mice that fall, so I put two or three boxes of d-CON in the garage.

The next spring my MINI developed a dash rattle. MINI's are known to have huge issues with rattles, so I didn't think too much about it. But it kept getting worse. Finally scheduled a service appointment to have it looked at. The service department called me late in the day to let me know they'd cleaned rat poison out of the cabin filter housing.

Damn mice were giving as good as they got.

I found de con in the air filter housing on my 2005 Explorer and in some fishing boots

 

[navi]

Mice are a concern - as is water damage/mildew if yours is a top that leaks - that would be found on a dealer lot. NO ONE will know if it is happening on Dirt Mountain.

Those concerns aside, the issue is that - like it or not, if you take delivery of a '21 vehicle in '22, you already have a compounded depreciation hit - because '22 models of the same vehicle will also be hitting the market. If you bought a "new old stock" that had been sitting on the lot, you would factor that into your buying agreement. Ford, as of yet, has not seemed to be concerned that you, the buyer, are going to take that hit for them.

For the "I just have to have it" crowd, that is fine. For those who don't like being "had", it probably means letting the vehicle go. Buying a dirt mountain Bronco to do anything but flip it (if the market scarcity holds) is a bad business move... but.... .. .... it's a Bronco and most won't care.

If the lot MICS leak so will your MY22, they aren't retooling for leaks.

MY22 gonna cost more anyway.

 

[2021badlands bronco bob]

The military auto source program requires payment 30 days in advance of delivery. So when I got my build date, the payment was made by my bank. My bank is unhappy that they don't have a copy of the title yet. So that's going to get interesting soon.

Wow that sounds like a big mess. I hope this goes well for you .I kept hearing about Mike Lavine being the person to solve problems ? Maybe he can help . Good luck.

 

[AwakeOnABus]

If the lot MICS leak so will your MY22, they aren't retooling for leaks.

MY22 gonna cost more anyway.

I think you are missing the point. It is the fact that the water would be in the vehicle undetected for MONTHS undetected on the MAP lot.

 

[5280Bronco]

You're killing me Mike. Mine's gathering dust right now by the dirt pile.

 

[AwakeOnABus]

Does someone want to let Levine know that you “kick up” dust or “stir up” dust or the like?

Unless you harness and control the sun, the moisture in the immediate environment, and/or an industrial scale dehumidifier, one is quite unlikely to “make” dust.

Unless he is talking about shedding skin cells indoors - while posting a picture of a Ford product kicking up dust. … huh… maybe that is it.

Don’t be a pawn to stupid marketing low-grade, unintelligent social-drivel.

 

[navi]

I think you are missing the point. It is the fact that the water would be in the vehicle undetected for MONTHS undetected on the MAP lot.

That's not the point I'm making.
I'm saying they don't leak (except for a couple randos who had a problem for hopefully very rare reasons).

If the MIC tops leak, then you don't seem to understand that would put a complete stop to Ford's "solution" because the retooled tops would leak as well.

They would have to stop production of all hard top Broncos, no more FE, no clearing of the dirt lot, no fixing the ones that were delivered. No MY22 hard tops etc.

So don't worry about water getting into your lot rotter. If it does, there's a lot bigger problems on the way.

 

[AwakeOnABus]

That's not the point I'm making.
I'm saying they don't leak (except for a couple randos who had a problem for hopefully very rare reasons).

If the MIC tops leak, then you don't seem to understand that would put a complete stop to Ford's "solution" because the retooled tops would leak as well.

They would have to stop production of all hard top Broncos, no more FE, no clearing of the dirt lot, no fixing the ones that were delivered. No MY22 hard tops etc.

So don't worry about water getting into your lot rotter. If it does, there's a lot bigger problems on the way.

So you know for a fact that none of the Broncos in MAP holding leak? haahahahahaa… ok.

edit: I am growing a brain AND learning to read. We both agree that a design flaw (and not a manufacturing flaw) would mean that ‘22 models would be prone to leaking.

I do not KNOW that ‘21 models are prone to leaking- just that some have, and if others are leaking while at dirt mountain for months, they will be ruined vehicles. The same leaking top on a dealer lot or in an owner’s hands would be addressed.

This is a unique concern specific to a first generation convertible top - thousands of them sitting out unattended for months. That would never happen on a dealer lot.

 

[old goat]

I feel sorry for you that have your bronco in the dirt pile . as much as I wanted mine this year too , BUT

I'm glad I reserved in Dec. 2020 and a 2D ordered , so mine has not been built and when it does it will be fresh of the line with a new and improved hard top.
not going to give in to the 4D , . 2DOORS or nothing !!!!!!!
STAY STONG

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