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[AZ_Craig]

I found mine mine at a dealer near Ephrata, PA. Paid $81,900 on a list price a little over $97K. I had been pestering dealers for about 8 months. The inventory in the northeast is thick and when I first offered $82K, each and every dealer got kind of indignant with a "don't waste my time" attitude. Some laughed out loud and said good luck. They're not laughing now. I drove the new Raptor to the 5 dealers who laughed and was sure to say hello to their GMs. Point is - don't be smug a$$holes. And, spend some money on teaching people how to sell cars.

I ran into the same thing starting about August when I was looking around. It was really crazy to be told things like: "We only sell for MSRP, this is a hot item" while there were 4000 units of inventory sitting on dealer lots nationwide.

I think they sometimes hold out hope that someone will come in who doesn't know what the hell they are doing with researching market prices, inventory, etc. and completley agree with you that some dealers can be down right obnoxious. I was ghosted by Anderson Ford Kingman after trying to drive them down below $77.5K on a remaining 2023 vehicle that they had and then they called me back to do a victory lap claiming: "Someone who appreciated the vehicle drove down from Montana to buy it at a reasonable price."

Ultimately I was happy with how I did and got a build equipped exactly as I wanted at a reasonable price. It definitely takes leg work, perseverence and patience (including being told your crazy by dealership staff). Sooner or later someone will play ball as long as you are pushing on the low side of current market.

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[JohnGalt]

So 2023s definitely got below $80K. I almost ended up picking one up for about $77K in northern Arizona and there were quite a few of them out there within the low the mid $70s a few months ago (a lot of that inventory has finally sold through though).

2024s can now definitely be had for $15K or more off. I personally got $15K off of mine bringing my sale price to about $84K, and that was on a $99K MSRP vehicle.

A quick sanity check on Autotrader shows only 59 2023s Braptors left in inventory, but still 3938 2024s. 2024 prices are being advertised below $80K now with some down as low as $76K.

I think this is the first time I have seen inventory of new Braptors below 4000 units in the last 6 months though. I think prices on 2024s are going to be very attractive for the next 6 months or so at least. There is a hell of a lot of inventory still out there and without something disruptive (like major incentive spending by Ford or a MSRP drop), I doubt the sales rate is going to pick up much.

There will probably less than 3000 Braptor built in 2024. Alittle over 3000 Braptors in 2023 and under 2700 in 2022. I don’t know how you’re getting 4000 2024 Braptor in inventory, but it’s wrong.

 

[AZ_Craig]

There will probably less than 3000 Braptor built in 2024. Alittle over 3000 Braptors in 2023 and under 2700 in 2022. I don’t know how you’re getting 4000 2024 Braptor in inventory, but it’s wrong.

Go to autotrader.com. Search 2024 Bronco, change filter to new and filter to Raptor. 3998 hits come up currently...

 

[Rydfree]

Go to autotrader.com. Search 2024 Bronco, change filter to new and filter to Raptor. 3998 hits come up currently...

There will be a lot of other Broncos mixed in with that "filter" also. You'll probably even see some Sports listed near the end, lol.

 

[AZ_Craig]

There will be a lot of other Broncos mixed in with that "filter" also. You'll probably even see some Sports listed near the end, lol.

Have you actually ever used the site? I used it extensively when searching national inventory and have used it otherwise when researching market pricing for purchases.

The filters work well. I typically would sort by price and trust me, I was not getting a bunch of other vehicles with it.

Try it before you throw shade.

 

[Rydfree]

Have you actually ever used the site? I used it extensively when searching national inventory and have used it otherwise when researching market pricing for purchases.

The filters work well. I typically would sort by price and trust me, I was not getting a bunch of other vehicles with it.

Try it before you throw shade.

Used it many times and always in the shade.

 

[AZ_Craig]

Used it many times and always in the shade.

I'd like to see the link to this Bronco Sport Raptor .

 

[Rydfree]

I'd like to see the link to this Bronco Sport Raptor .

I never said there was a Sport Raptor, but there could be. It already has the 4 doors .

 

[AZ_Craig]

I never said there was a Sport Raptor, but there could be. It already has the 4 doors .

You missed my sarcasm...

My point was that if Autotrader is so grossly overstating Raptor inventory, demonstrate it.

Using the method I mentioned inventory nationwide stands at 3951 vehicles. With a price sort in place the lowest priced one is a $76500 Raptor discounted from $96045 in Pennsylvania (that's a good deal!).

No miss classified Broncos or Bronco Sports that I'm seeing.

It's possible inventory is somewhat overstated if there are any duplicate listings and/or vehicles that have already sold (which is likely). But the filters work really well, at least for Bronco Raptors...

 

[JohnGalt]

This same discussion came up a year or so ago. I’m not going to reconcile Autotraders listings, but maybe this chart from at @ChiliPepper will help you conclude that autotrader isn’t correct. He tracks this from Ford reporting meticulously each month…. No. Way. There. Are. 4000. Unsold 2024 Broncos At this point.

that said, there’s probably enough inventory for dealers to want to clear remaining 2024s well below MSRP.

okay I lied, I checked auto trader, the search says 3951 entries but displays only 12 pages at about 25 per page. That indicates around 300. That’s believable.

 

[TheShark]

I never said there was a Sport Raptor, but there could be. It already has the 4 doors .

Actually that looks pretty dang good.

 

[Timo]

This same discussion came up a year or so ago. I’m not going to reconcile Autotraders listings, but maybe this chart from at @ChiliPepper will help you conclude that autotrader isn’t correct. He tracks this from Ford reporting meticulously each month…. No. Way. There. Are. 4000. Unsold 2024 Broncos At this point.

that said, there’s probably enough inventory for dealers to want to clear remaining 2024s well below MSRP.

okay I lied, I checked auto trader, the search says 3951 entries but displays only 12 pages at about 25 per page. That indicates around 300. That’s believable.

Never noticed that on autotrader since I filter mine down quite a bit more than trim. But you can go to cargurus and they show around the same number of Raptors available but has over 180 pages of Raptors with 20 or so per page. I don't doubt there are quite a few duplicates with some showing as sponsored and regular entries. While I can't validate autotrader or cargurus I can't validate the graph either. All I need to see are the ones I actually want and there are about 40 with the color, equipment at 85k or less. Lucky for me i travel quite a bit for work so I can pickup pretty much anywhere in the country when I decide to buy.

 

[AZ_Craig]

It's as simple as this, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Regardless of if Ford produced 3000 Raptors or 5000 Raptors, clearly there are too many Raptors on dealer lots!

 

[crenca]

It's as simple as this, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Regardless of if Ford produced 3000 Raptors or 5000 Raptors, clearly there are too many Raptors on dealer lots!

I can agree with ^this^. My experience with Autotrader is that it & its back end search/filter algorithms really suck. It reminds me of the pre-Google internet - search reduced to in your face advertising (Google is creeping back there unfortunately). It lists vehicles multiple times, misses others, etc. Part of the problem is the quality of data dealers input into it.

I would not use it for any serious gauge of the market.

 

[voxel]

I can agree with ^this^. My experience with Autotrader is that it & its back end search/filter algorithms really suck. It reminds me of the pre-Google internet - search reduced to in your face advertising (Google is creeping back there unfortunately). It lists vehicles multiple times, misses others, etc. Part of the problem is the quality of data dealers input into it.

I would not use it for any serious gauge of the market.

In general... FL dealers have too many Raptors. This dealer always seems to have 100+ Bronco in stock but have been blowing them out for months with discounts and yet they still have 23 Raptors on the lot. I recall them having 20+ Badlands and 20+ Wildtraks in the past but sales seem to be brisk with the discounts ($11K).

https://brandonford.com/inventory?f...value":{"Raptor 4 Door Advanced 4x4":true}}}}

Ford definitely overproduced them and overpriced Raptors.

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