2021 2.7L ABS Replacement

[Mwrobin]

So, the short of it, I replaced the ABS/Master Cylinder/Electric Booster on my 2021 Badlands Bronco. Bleed is good, passing all tests. Module was successfully replaced and VIN updated. I'm not getting any other codes, except for P1595:00-6D. When I shift from Park, the engine shuts down with that code. The text of the code is 'Forced Engine Shutdown - Remote Start System Fault, Transmission Range Not In Park Position'.

I haven't found much of anything searching for this code for a Bronco or newer Ford. I found one reference stating a possible PATS programming for the new module.

The longer story:
After returning from vacation in September the battery was dead. I charged the battery, started the Bronco and it would not release the electronic parking brake. I had to have it towed to the dealer. The released the parking brake via the service function and told me the booster part of the ABS/Master Cylinder/Electric Booster had failed and I would need it replaced. The part had to be ordered and was back-ordered. So, I drove the Bronco home and after waiting awhile I sourced the module myself and replaced it. The replacement was manufactured 3 days after the original and was identical in every way including all matching codes and only the manufacture date was 3 days later. After replacing the module, I updated/programmed the VIN to match my Bronco, completed the computer bleed and then pressure bled extensively at each caliper. Subsequently, trying to go for a test drive and it just shuts off with the P1595 when I shift from Park.

If this something simple I'm missing, thank you for pointing out the error of my ways!

I do have a TopDon scanner (in addition to ForScan). The TopDon does have a PATS reset function in it, but if I run it, it wants me to call the dealer for some codes. I'm not sure if this is a PATS issue and would love some feedback before I make my next move. Thank you again for any help you can throw my way. Bronco has been dead in the water for 5 months and would love to get it back on the road!

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[Ducati1098]

Sounds like a completely separate concern maybe not related to the EBB replacement unless it was something that went wrong during programming.
what did you use to do the PMI for the new module?

 

[Ducati1098]

Also, I don’t understand how the replacement was manufactured 3 days after the original. The EBB was superseded at least once a while after yours was likely built. So the new one should’ve had a different part number and not been manufactured even close to the same time the original module was.

 

[Mwrobin]

I'm starting the engine with the Start/Stop button in the car. I'm watching all the Brake related items in the computer and all showing that I'm pressing the brake pedal (I know not the exact error, but since these new ABS modules don't have a pedal switch, wanted to make sure the computer is seeing the brake is pressed, which it is).

I reprogrammed the new module (PMI) with ForScan. I initially tried the PMI in TopDon, but it failed and ForScan had some additional capabilities that were simpler to use. I was able to pull the factory config from Ford, save it and update the VIN in just a few steps.

 

[Mwrobin]

The replacement was off another Bronco. A new module was backordered. Still haven't heard from the dealer on the replacement.

 

[Mwrobin]

OK, the dealer shared the ABS replacement procedure with me. I was spot-on and had even figured out that I need to do a PATS initialization (need Incode from Outcode). The dealer is not willing to give or sell me the Incode. Does anyone know if patscode.com would support such a new vehicle (FAQ seems to indicate they do, but I'm leery)? My only other option at this point is the tow the Bronco to the dealer so they can hook up the computer and run the PATS Initialization. Any other thoughts here?

 

[Ducati1098]

OK, the dealer shared the ABS replacement procedure with me. I was spot-on and had even figured out that I need to do a PATS initialization (need Incode from Outcode). The dealer is not willing to give or sell me the Incode. Does anyone know if patscode.com would support such a new vehicle (FAQ seems to indicate they do, but I'm leery)? My only other option at this point is the tow the Bronco to the dealer so they can hook up the computer and run the PATS Initialization. Any other thoughts here?

You can’t do a parameter reset in forscan? I can’t remember if it’s there or not.
I’m not 100% sure what you mean my incode or outcode. All you need is FDRS to do the procedure necessary.

 

[Mwrobin]

Step 4 from Ford’s procedure. When I use the scan tool to perform the ‘Module Initialization (Parameter Reset)’ per Ford’s procedure it pops up a dialog with a 40-byte Outcode and tells me to get the Incode from the dealer. The dealer refused unless I tow the car into them.

 

[Ducati1098]

Step 4 from Ford’s procedure. When I use the scan tool to perform the ‘Module Initialization (Parameter Reset)’ per Ford’s procedure it pops up a dialog with a 40-byte Outcode and tells me to get the Incode from the dealer. The dealer refused unless I tow the car into them.

Yeah It probably can only be done with FDRS then. There is no incode or outcode supplied when using the factory diagnostic tool. All that stuff is outdated and how Ford used to do PATS programming.

Unless you want to buy a 2 day FDRS license and have a compatible J2534 device that will work with FDRS, the dealer is probably your only option.

 

[Mwrobin]

You can’t do a parameter reset in forscan? I can’t remember if it’s there or not.
I’m not 100% sure what you mean my incode or outcode. All you need is FDRS to do the procedure necessary.

You mention FDRS. The adapter is a big investment ($100 - $2000 depending on the brand/model) plus the license cost for a 2 day license. Will that allow me to do a 'Module Initialization (Parameter Reset)' or would I be stuck with the same issue of needing the Incode to complete this procedure? I'm thinking the later since I would have to be set up as a non-dealer so guessing that will limit my options.

 

[Mwrobin]

Yup, just over 19 minutes in he confirms that FDRS cannot do Key programming (PATS) unless you are a dealer. So a PATS 'Module Initialization (Parameter Reset)' would be out of the question without the dealer.

 

[Ducati1098]

You mention FDRS. The adapter is a big investment ($100 - $2000 depending on the brand/model) plus the license cost for a 2 day license. Will that allow me to do a 'Module Initialization (Parameter Reset)' or would I be stuck with the same issue of needing the Incode to complete this procedure? I'm thinking the later since I would have to be set up as a non-dealer so guessing that will limit my options.

License is $50. Depending on the adapter you’re using for forscan, it may work for FDRS.

Once again, the whole “incode/outcode” thing is outdated. Ford doesn’t use that anymore. I’ve never once seen anything like that in FDRS.

Also, Parameter reset is not the same as programming new key fobs.
Programming fobs you won’t be able to do. I don’t think you’ll have a problem doing a simple parameter reset.

 

[Ducati1098]

@RagnarKon have you ever tried to do a parameter reset with FDRS? Can you do it without being a dealer?

 

[RagnarKon]

@RagnarKon have you ever tried to do a parameter reset with FDRS? Can you do it without being a dealer?

I have on a 5th gen Explorer, but that woulda been pre-FDRS days.

Also @Ducati1098 is correct regarding incode/outcode. That version of PATS was deprecated sometime around 2015 (ish)... probably because it was too easy to thieves to generate their own codes for stolen vehicles.

 

[Mwrobin]

OK, it's fixed and finally left the garage.

I had to either tow it to the dealer (wasn't too excited about that) or get an automotive locksmith that had the FDRS software (dealer capabilities). I likely could have also done it with the outcode/incode per the scanner I was using but likely they would have needed to do it over the phone since it's tied to an MFA-style NASTF key. The tech needed to fully reset the communication between the BCM and the new ABS module, which was the 'secret sauce' that would clear the P1595 and allow the vehicle to go into gear without shutting off the engine. The tech did re-flash and run the PMI again on the ABS and the PSCM (Power Steering Controller Module) as it threw a communication code with the ABS before it was re-flashed and re-programmed.

So, bottom line, if you have a Ford Bronco, at least the 2.7L (and I'm sure the newer raptors) with the radar, auto-braking and power steering nudge features (not sure about all the other models) you will need to get the vehicle to a dealer or a willing automotive locksmith in order to do a 'Module Initialization (Parameter Reset)' since that required 'dealer capabilities' in the FDRS software. At least for the ABS and likely for many other module swaps you would need to do.

Thanks for all your input!

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