Rough Shifts since oil change

[not on the rug]

Bronco doesn't have a TCM

The PCM controls the engine and trans, right?

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[Ducati1098]

The PCM controls the engine and trans, right?

Correct

 

[ThunderFlash]

The Wildtrak is the quickest of the Broncos and even that feels a bit snail-like to me

Did someone say Filson?

 

[ThunderFlash]

@Ducati1098, I know this PCM change is supposed to be related to the HVAC, but do think they could have done something there to cause NOTR issue? Since mine didn't complete, what should I do? Do you think my FP tune could have caused the fail? It does it's OTA thing a 1:00 am and it's still failed today. With that cause problems with future OTAs?

 

[not on the rug]

Did someone say Filson?

Looks like the Filson and the WT are neck and neck in a drag race, with the Raptor close behind (maybe?) Depending on the source, the 0-60 times vary dramatically.
The Raptor has almost 90 more hp and 25 more tq, but weighs 800 more lbs and is on 37s

This isn't about 0-60 times though and tenths of a second. It's about 3+ seconds of difference between the 2.3 trucks and the WT. That's a massive difference and is so painfully slow to drive.

 

[Ducati1098]

@Ducati1098, I know this PCM change is supposed to be related to the HVAC, but do think they could have done something there to cause NOTR issue? Since mine didn't complete, what should I do? Do you think my FP tune could have caused the fail? It does it's OTA thing a 1:00 am and it's still failed today. With that cause problems with future OTAs?

I don't know what specifically is in the update. The generic message Ford gives everyone else is all I get also.
It could be because the FP tune, other people have messaged me about the exact same thing, also having the FP tune. I would just leave it alone at this point. It's probably not an update you really need anyway.
Eventually I would guess they will update the FP calibration to include whatever is in this OTA, but it may take a while.
Future PCM OTA updates may be affected, but those are already extremely rare to begin with. Other module OTAs wont be affected.

 

[ThunderFlash]

Looks like the Filson and the WT are neck and neck in a drag race, with the Raptor close behind. This isn't about 0-60 times though and tenths of a second. It's about 3+ seconds of difference between the 2.3 trucks and the WT. That's a massive difference and is so painfully slow to drive.

I think it's still in question how the Filson 3.0L will be tuned, but the 35" tires might help it. Personally, I'd always give up a little HP to get a few more ft-lbs. Love me some torque!

As an engineer I've learned there are a host of trade offs in 99.99% of engineering decisions. In fact, my definition of engineering art is "compromise management". Same goes for buying decisions. There is a zillion trade offs floating around out there with all the vehicle options (and limitations) on the market, picking one of them (or even six of them) to be your own is a beeoch.

 

[userdude]

As an engineer I've learned there are a host of trade offs in 99.99% of engineering decisions. In fact, my definition of engineering art is "compromise management". Same goes for buying decisions. There is a zillion trade offs floating around out there with all the vehicle options (and limitations) on the market, picking one of them (or even six of them) to be your own is a beeoch.

I remember years ago someone posted on Slashdot a before and after of a management console for some tool. The first was "created" (we won't say designed...) by an engineer and had like 80+ settings squeezed into a single form, lots free entry fields and/or with cryptic abbreviations.

The UI designer update had like four fields, they were all dropdowns or toggles and there was a gear to edit a config file manually.

I always thought that perfectly encapsulated engineers.

 

[Sparkie]

I know...I know... I prefer a manual too and almost every single one of my vehicles has been manual. That being said, I couldn't deal with the insanely sluggish 2.3 motor. The Wildtrak is the quickest of the Broncos and even that feels a bit snail-like to me based on the vehicles I've driven for most of my life. It's adequate, but not ideal. That's just my opinion though. Everyone has a different idea of what matters to them in a vehicle

I did have similar 2.3 vs 2.7 concerns, but I didn't notice much difference between them in my Bronco test drives.
Maybe it was because I drove my manual gearbox "speed vehicle" (pictured below" to those test drives.

 

[BillyB]

Have u tried resetting the TCM ?

https://monstertransmission.com/blo...hs6ql23G56QuqtyH3KsjKccJAWd7PIHbUrqC9DxSSGU9p

 

[not on the rug]

I did have similar 2.3 vs 2.7 concerns, but I didn't notice much difference between them in my Bronco test drives.
Maybe it was because I drove my manual gearbox "speed vehicle" (pictured below" to those test drives.

Isn't that a Saturn Sky? What badging is slapped on the back of it?

 

[zuke]

Isn't that a Saturn Sky? What badging is slapped on the back of it?

Looks like an Opel GT, (European version of the Sky)...

 

[ThunderFlash]

I always thought that perfectly encapsulated engineers.

I call Engineering an "art" because some are good at it, some are not, and not all aspects of the skill can be taught...and experience is valuable beyond belief....sometimes.

 

[userdude]

I call Engineering an "art" because some are good at it, some are not, and not all aspects of the skill can be taught...and experience is valuable beyond belief....sometimes.

What's the difference between an engineer and a smart person? Well I've got a theory about that... lol

It's fun being an engineer until your space toilet doesn't flush.

 

[not on the rug]

Looks like an Opel GT, (European version of the Sky)...

I forgot about the Opel. Thanks!

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