TSB 25-2206: 2024-2025 2.7L Incorrectly Illuminated MIL (Check Engine) with DTCs P1299, P1026 and P2C39

[Ducati1098]

Fresh TSB drop:

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[PWillette]

And the hits keep coming

 

[Ducati1098]

And the hits keep coming

Yep. I wouldn't expect them to stop anytime soon either until Ford decides to pull their collective heads out of their asses.

 

[huey]

 

[MrGreen55]

 

[Razorback]

Finally not a 2021 issue.... Winning!!!

 

[timhood]

Are people really making a big deal about this? In the grand scheme of things, I'd much rather have a check engine light that comes on that means nothing. This is a minor inconvenience, with some reactions being overblown. Perhaps I lack the flair for the dramatic.

 

[Ducati1098]

Are people really making a big deal about this? In the grand scheme of things, I'd much rather have a check engine light that comes on that means nothing. This is a minor inconvenience, with some reactions being overblown. Perhaps I lack the flair for the dramatic.

I agree, this specifically isn’t a big deal. But dumb things like this on top of all their other problems is getting tiring.

 

[timhood]

I agree, this specifically isn’t a big deal. But dumb things like this on top of all their other problems is getting tiring.

Agreed that Ford has a bad image, that quality isn't Job 1, and probably not Job 2, maybe Job 3 or 4. They've created a Catch-22 where the high warranty costs have (probably) driven them to seek (squeeze) the lowest price possible from suppliers so they can make enough profit to cover warranty costs. Suppliers then cut corners and create products with warranty and recall issues. It makes me wonder if perhaps negotiating a deal that includes a higher price for the part in exchange for the supplier assuming warranty costs that exceed a certain threshold would be a better way to manage quality. I'm not in manufacturing, but if I could pay a little more for a better part that doesn't cost me a fortune in warranty/recall expense, I'd think there'd be a better ROI, to say nothing of a better customer experience and a better industry image. And, if you make your supplier your partner and not your enemy, is that not a better model, too? And if Ford already is doing that, why isn't it working?

Personally, I'm grateful that I've not had any reliability, warranty, or recall issues that have affected me. My vehicle is part of the rear shock and rear camera recalls, but both are fine so far. And my hard top has been fine. But I can only imagine if another owner drew a bat card and ended up with a Bronco with a bad top, possibly the engine valve issue, the rear shocks, rear camera, and now this. They would have a different outlook.

 

[dreemcatchr]

Agreed that Ford has a bad image, that quality isn't Job 1, and probably not Job 2, maybe Job 3 or 4. They've created a Catch-22 where the high warranty costs have (probably) driven them to seek (squeeze) the lowest price possible from suppliers so they can make enough profit to cover warranty costs. Suppliers then cut corners and create products with warranty and recall issues. It makes me wonder if perhaps negotiating a deal that includes a higher price for the part in exchange for the supplier assuming warranty costs that exceed a certain threshold would be a better way to manage quality. I'm not in manufacturing, but if I could pay a little more for a better part that doesn't cost me a fortune in warranty/recall expense, I'd think there'd be a better ROI, to say nothing of a better customer experience and a better industry image. And, if you make your supplier your partner and not your enemy, is that not a better model, too? And if Ford already is doing that, why isn't it working?

Personally, I'm grateful that I've not had any reliability, warranty, or recall issues that have affected me. My vehicle is part of the rear shock and rear camera recalls, but both are fine so far. And my hard top has been fine. But I can only imagine if another owner drew a bat card and ended up with a Bronco with a bad top, possibly the engine valve issue, the rear shocks, rear camera, and now this. They would have a different outlook.

I’m in the same boat. Haven’t had any issues and I’m also in the rear shock & rear camera recall too but haven’t had any issues with anything yet. I’m starting to think ‘22s and ‘23s are the sweet spot for minimal issues

 

[Valhalla]

Agreed that Ford has a bad image, that quality isn't Job 1, and probably not Job 2, maybe Job 3 or 4. They've created a Catch-22 where the high warranty costs have (probably) driven them to seek (squeeze) the lowest price possible from suppliers so they can make enough profit to cover warranty costs. Suppliers then cut corners and create products with warranty and recall issues. It makes me wonder if perhaps negotiating a deal that includes a higher price for the part in exchange for the supplier assuming warranty costs that exceed a certain threshold would be a better way to manage quality. I'm not in manufacturing, but if I could pay a little more for a better part that doesn't cost me a fortune in warranty/recall expense, I'd think there'd be a better ROI, to say nothing of a better customer experience and a better industry image. And, if you make your supplier your partner and not your enemy, is that not a better model, too? And if Ford already is doing that, why isn't it working?

Personally, I'm grateful that I've not had any reliability, warranty, or recall issues that have affected me. My vehicle is part of the rear shock and rear camera recalls, but both are fine so far. And my hard top has been fine. But I can only imagine if another owner drew a bat card and ended up with a Bronco with a bad top, possibly the engine valve issue, the rear shocks, rear camera, and now this. They would have a different outlook.

We charge all of this back to suppliers... It has been said we make more money on charge backs to suppliers than selling autos... I doubt this is valid.

 

[huey]

Are people really making a big deal about this? In the grand scheme of things, I'd much rather have a check engine light that comes on that means nothing. This is a minor inconvenience, with some reactions being overblown. Perhaps I lack the flair for the dramatic.

If its just this item - absolutely no biggy. Go back and see how many recalls & TSB's are released for these trucks. the beef is over the sheer quantity and frequency of issues

It makes me wonder if perhaps negotiating a deal that includes a higher price for the part in exchange for the supplier assuming warranty costs that exceed a certain threshold would be a better way to manage quality.

Excellent point. Every supplier and OEM combo will have their specific contracts, but a lot of suppliers are already on the hook for warranty work.

 

[broncobase1]

You guys think only Ford has TSBs?

 

[Oldhippie]

This is not a “recall”…TSB=this could happen and if it does this is the fix…at least ford is aware of a possible issue and figured out how to fix it…unlike the current recalls with no fix where they are cutting their own profits buy not even being able sell broncos…idiots…

 

[huey]

You guys think only Ford has TSBs?

lol no. I don't think anyone thinks that

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