New California Replacement Tire Standards [⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[AZ_Liberty]

If they have to have less rolling resistance, then they will be made with less material, and not last as long.

Lower rolling resistance tires actually tend to be stiffer, so have a bit more material. They cost more.

That being said, not once in my life have I ever replaced factory tires with the same garbage rubber Ford installs.

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[ducksface]

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- Tires

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- Wood burning Fireplaces
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- Gas Appliances

Nope.
Try Nevada.
We in arizona are all out of those items and they're on backorder.
(You'll love Las Vegas)

 

[userdude]

Nice thread you have here! Fun fun fun!!

 

[Steve_In_29]

I get your point. I agree the smog laws were good. I remember not being able to see the San Gabriel Mountains from the pier in Long Beach because of the smog.

But there are times when CA seems to lose a sense of perspective. I'm thinking about Proposition 65 and how it's enforced. At first it was a "lawyer enrichment act" then it was modified. But Prop 65 warnings have become a joke in many situations.

Prop 65 warnings on lumber are idiotic

 

[Owl]

Just remember... California gasoline was only supposed to cost approximately ten cents more than gasoline in the other states. That was the sales pitch years ago.

I paid $5.39 per gallon a few days ago. You boys and girls in the other states averaging $5.29 per gallon I assume?

 

[CalvinT]

Just remember... California gasoline was only supposed to cost approximately ten cents more than gasoline in the other states. That was the sales pitch years ago.

I paid $5.39 per gallon a few days ago. You boys and girls in the other states averaging $5.29 per gallon I assume?

I just filled at Costco on 8/12/26 for $3.99 for regular.

 

[CalvinT]

Cheaper to label it than face the penalty if someone spilled something nasty on it.
The fines are something like 2500 per violation per day.
I don't know if anyone has ben fined for not having the label.

Exactly, there is no penalty for putting the label on something that doesn't have carcinogens. But there are heavy penalties for not having a label. So you'll see labels on things that are safe just to avoid litigation.

The thing is, someone doesn't have to prove injury to sue. In general they just have to prove the existence of a listed carcinogen and they weren't notified. And there is no threshold. If the substance is detectable, you can sue. That's why you'll see the labels on leather wallets because leather dust is listed, wood dust is also listed, hence you'll see the label on piles of lumber.

I think, in general, the concept of notifying people is good. But there is no sense of perspective and it's scaring people unnecessarily. I've seen posts about people avoiding garden hoses because they have brass fittings with labels. Standard brass is copper and zinc, with a small percentage of lead. Federal Limits allow 0.25% lead, but CA has lead listed.

 

[MilesTeg]

Prop 65 warnings on lumber are idiotic

Sawdust is a known human carcinogen. It's why woodworkers have vacuum systems to collect and contain sawdust these days instead of just letting it float around in the air.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK590780/

Prop 65 is poor law, though it's intent was good. Usually if the company actually knows there is a carcinogen in their product, they will list it allowing you to discern between the CYA labels and more meaningful labels. Prop 65 helped me discover I was spraying formaldehyde all over myself (and breathing it). Also: fuck you Chemical Guys.

 

[Notmattwong]

Just remember... California gasoline was only supposed to cost approximately ten cents more than gasoline in the other states. That was the sales pitch years ago.

I paid $5.39 per gallon a few days ago. You boys and girls in the other states averaging $5.29 per gallon I assume?

Paid $3.99 in north Texas. I also fill up every 3-4 days.

 

[MilesTeg]

Just remember... California gasoline was only supposed to cost approximately ten cents more than gasoline in the other states. That was the sales pitch years ago.

I paid $5.39 per gallon a few days ago. You boys and girls in the other states averaging $5.29 per gallon I assume?

On the plus side, you're not breathing this air anymore:

 

[Badlands Traveler]

I guess, I will buy my tires in Nevada.

 

[DarthLincoln]

The state spokesperson crowed about the new regs saving CA drivers $79 a year in gas costs while ignoring them having to spend way more then that for the new tires.

That is not what the commission said.

Just to correct the facts, the CEC $79 savings estimate is a NET savings that includes the added cost of tire. However, that $79 savings is realized over the 4-year life of the tire, not per year, and the tire industry strongly disagrees with the small price increase that the CEC used.

https://www.energy.ca.gov/proceeding/replacement-tire-efficiency-program-proceeding

This is clearly an initiative to reduce total energy consumption and pollution, a good goal especially in urban areas, but I think it’s a mistake to try to sell it as a cost savings for consumers.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Sawdust is a known human carcinogen. It's why woodworkers have vacuum systems to collect and contain sawdust these days instead of just letting it float around in the air.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK590780/

Prop 65 is poor law, though it's intent was good. Usually if the company actually knows there is a carcinogen in their product, they will list it allowing you to discern between the CYA labels and more meaningful labels. Prop 65 helped me discover I was spraying formaldehyde all over myself (and breathing it). Also: fuck you Chemical Guys.

News Flash....EVERYTHING is carcinogenic (or out right fatal) with enough exposure.

The world is trying to kill us and no one gets out alive.

But hey if you are happy in your nanny state padded cage good for you.

 

[Steve_In_29]

It amazes me how so many people point out all the problems with CA. Every state has problems, some address them and some don't. CA addressed smog because it was so bad especially in SoCal in the LA basin. That initiated the CA auto emissions requirements. That did eventually end up being used nation wide. That has helped reduce smog in CA as well as many cities with that problem. I don't know about everybody else, but I like breathing cleaner air and don't mind the cost to have it.

I suppose CA should have been blamed for creating smog.

I am not native Californian, but have been here since 1969 and don't see any reason to leave. There are things I don't like about it but more that I do like. Why move to another place that also has things that I don't like. To each his own.

Do I want low rolling resistance tires? No, but I will adapt if need be and leave being concerned to bigger issues.

A gilded cage no matter how pretty is still a cage

 

[Steve_In_29]

That is not what the commission said.

Just to correct the facts, the CEC $79 savings estimate is a NET savings that includes the added cost of tire. However, that $79 savings is realized over the 4-year life of the tire, not per year, and the tire industry strongly disagrees with the small price increase that the CEC used.

https://www.energy.ca.gov/proceeding/replacement-tire-efficiency-program-proceeding

This is clearly an initiative to reduce total energy consumption and pollution, a good goal especially in urban areas, but I think it’s a mistake to try to sell it as a cost savings for consumers.

So the figures (as most things CA .gov puts out) are fabricated BS.

Aside from the costs to the manufacturer for the materials and construction, there WILL be the mandated testing procedures the State will require the tire companies to foot the bill for to get their approval (just as CA requires gun makers to pay for the privilege of selling their pistols in the state) to say nothing of the cost of the added bureaucracy they will have to create. Tire Czar anyone?

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