Diesel engines

[Tricky Dick]

We've been sitting at $4.99 for gas, and $4.49 for diesel for over a month now here in Phoenix.

It's certainly regional. #2 runs about a buck higher than 87 in WA, but our taxes are brutal across the board.

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[AZ_Liberty]

When I lived in Arizona diesel was definitely taxed higher than gasoline. So either that’s changed, or there is a tax holiday, or there is refinery shortages happening down there.

Supposedly it's a refinery in El Paso that is down for maintenance.

Gas and diesel are both taxed at 18 cents/gallon and have been the same for as long as I can remember. Commercial diesel (big trucks) is taxed at 26 cents.

 

[Squatch]

I imagine Ford trying to get one by the EPA--and CARB, because California dictates federal law now, see yesterday's decision on the pigs--after a decade of negotiations and the EPA finally allows a non-EGR diesel engine but it can only be one cylinder. Ford makes the displacement 5.0 liters and mounts it transverse but upright. Now, the Bronco really bucks at idle!

Ruined more by fuel taxes which are higher on diesel than on gas. It takes less energy and money to produce a gallon of diesel or kerosene or jet fuel ( which is close to kero and would burn in any diesel) than a gallon of 87 octane even with 10% corn oil added so the price difference of over 1$ per gallon is hard to recover even with 20-30% improved mpg.

No, the EGRs... EPA. It's like a person being forced to breathe back in all of their exhales and breathe in their farts directly... it would also be bad for our body's engine.

 

[Squatch]

Would love a diesel (fuel taxes aside) but as others have said, the maintenance on EPA'd diesels gets stupid expensive.

What would be really interesting, is if the Bronco would be offered with a diesel hybrid powertrain. Would be a heavy beast though.


Herb

It would run like a freight train, though....

 

[AZ_Liberty]

Would love a diesel (fuel taxes aside) but as others have said, the maintenance on EPA'd diesels gets stupid expensive.

Smog check is another annoyance (here). 1996 and newer gas vehicles are ODBII, so it's a quick pay $14 every other year, and as long as you don't have a Check Engine light you pass.

Diesels they put on the dyno with the tailpipe sniffer. If it's a stick, they have to find a manager because none of the worker drones know how to drive a stick, even though it is technically a job requirement. And because it's more work, they charge more.

 

[CarGuy]

A Cummins 4bt will fit nicely

 

[TakeNoGuff]

The EPA is out of control; Congress never authorized the EPA to be so powerful, in fact, Congress is just being lazy when it comes to the EPA making laws and fines for EPA violations. Only Congress can levy taxes and fines. The EPA needs to be reined in.

 

[351W-Bronco]

The EPA is out of control; Congress never authorized the EPA to be so powerful, in fact, Congress is just being lazy when it comes to the EPA making laws and fines for EPA violations. Only Congress can levy taxes and fines. The EPA needs to be reined in.

A million times worse in CA with CARB.

 

[TakeNoGuff]

A million times worse in CA with CARB.

I live in California, and I worked in the Petroleum industry for 35 years; I know exactly how bad CARB can be, although good for people like me in the petroleum service business due to the requirements CARB demands. The difference is, Calif. doesn't have in its Constitution that only the Legislators can levy fines and Taxes; The US Constitution does, so technically the EPA can't fine violators of EPA Rules which they call Laws, but only Congress can make Laws. In the past, some large corporations sued the EPA for this reason to avoid large fines which usually end up in a settlement between the two parties to avoid public scrutiny of the process, which allows the EPA to do what they do and the violating corporation to still do less of what they do with less fines. Our Government is corrupt as hell.

 

[Greasyfingers429]

I live in California, and I worked in the Petroleum industry for 35 years; I know exactly how bad CARB can be, although good for people like me in the petroleum service business due to the requirements CARB demands. The difference is, Calif. doesn't have in its Constitution that only the Legislators can levy fines and Taxes; The US Constitution does, so technically the EPA can't fine violators of EPA Rules which they call Laws, but only Congress can make Laws. In the past, some large corporations sued the EPA for this reason to avoid large fines which usually end up in a settlement between the two parties to avoid public scrutiny of the process, which allows the EPA to do what they do and the violating corporation to still do less of what they do with less fines. Our Government is corrupt as hell.

Agree completely. Michael Shellenberger’s book, Apocalypse Never, does a great job proving the conflicts of interest and power plays between the gov’t and interests of private energy companies.

 

[mcinfantry]

Sounds nice in theory but modern diesels are more trouble than they're worth.

Its almost like the diesel drum beaters dont own any. We arent going to get a pre-dpf/def mechanical diesel…. Period

 

[mcinfantry]

Slow idle long periods is a major benefit of a dpf and regin, right??? Right????

 

[Greasyfingers429]

Still would like to see a Diesel offered. Any thoughts?

I’ve been on that bandwagon hoping for a diesel for too long now. After test driving the Wrangler diesel I almost bought one, right before the Bronco was finally announced. I couldnt wait any longer for a Ford diesel option, so got the 2021. I can honestly say getting 20mpg with the 2.3, with the torque & horsepower it makes, I don’t know why I would want a diesel now.
Fuel price disparity since 2007 EPA mandates for ULSD (ultra low sulphur diesel) has tipped the scales towards gasoline. I had a 2006 Powerstroke, that could still run on low sulphur diesel, when it was still cheaper than gas even in New England. Those days are long gone with the EPA policies we have now.
So, why do we want diesel engines today? Trucks towing heavy loads benefit from the torque. But Bronco only tows 3,500 lbs, so that’s not a driving force.
I’ve been dealing with crappy attempts to meet EPA diesel emissions for 15 years across my 6.0 Powestroke, 2.0 VW TDI, and Land Rover 3.0 Td6. ALL of them have been costly and problematic.
It is sad, but the EPA has beat me.

 

[Sherminiator]

You can thank VW for screwing Diesel owners too. The issue is that its really hard to meet emissions requirements with Diesel engines. Say what you will about emissions, but most South Cali people will say its been a huge improvement over the smog they had in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Even the Ecoboost engines are starting to run into this with particulate matter emissions due to DI on the engine.

 

[BroncoLV]

Regular= $3.29
Diesel= $3.79
20 minutes ago @ local King Soopers
Diesel F350 sux at fill-up time, even at these prices...going smaller (Taco/Ranger-sized) and gas/hybrid for the next one.

I had the F-150 Powerboost before the Bronco and it was pretty sweet. More torque than the Raptor and only 5HP less. Still towed 8tons and when not towing it got 24mpg so with the 30gal fuel tank it had a range of 700 miles on one tank plus all the additional benefits of the hybrid like the on-board 7.2kw generator, 240v outlet in the bed.

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