SAS Package Crash Bar Removal

[Montana Bronco]

Broncos have been on the road for three years now. A single instance of this being an issue?

And amazingly, in the entire history of this forum, every single accident involving a Bronco is someone else’s fault…

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[mpeugeot]

And amazingly, in the entire history of this forum, every single accident involving a Bronco is someone else’s fault…

I present you with Tyler Mason... LOL.

I don't think he blamed his rollover on anyone else.

 

[indio22]

Broncos have been on the road for three years now. A single instance of this being an issue?

The odds of injury due to lack of the bars is probably very low. But it's interesting from a risk perception standpoint, and how people can be quite different in that regard. I removed the bars and have no concern.

 

[crenca]

The odds of injury due to lack of the bars is probably very low. But it's interesting from a risk perception standpoint, and how people can be quite different in that regard. I removed the bars and have no concern.

About 15 years ago, after the manufactures tightened up their frontal collision standards, largely through the efforts of the IIHS (because the Federal standards had grown static), they noticed a significant improvement in injury/death rates from frontal collisions.

However, they also noticed that one type of frontal collision had not been much effected by the new standards - the small overlap crash (google it to compare it to a "regular" front end collision). The small overlap, despite being a small percentage of total frontal collisions, was responsible for a large and outsized percentage of the serious injury and death stats, often at relatively low speeds. Thus the IIHS responded by adding the then new small overlap test.

You rightly point out that people rate their own risk and adjust their behavior accordingly.

@N0madK1ng I got the Boss 4x4 kit installed today, easy peasy once you have the needed bolts . Turning wheels to lock is all that is needed, as someone upstream said you don't even need to loosen the modular front bumper as the directions suggest. @Heritage66 pics are good so I won't post mine...

 

[kodiakisland]

The odds of injury due to lack of the bars is probably very low. But it's interesting from a risk perception standpoint, and how people can be quite different in that regard. I removed the bars and have no concern.

Yep. I commute to work on a motorcycle and fly a super cub in the back country for fun. I’m not worried about a couple inches of steel on a 5K lb vehicle.
If it was a problem I think we’d know it by now.

 

[N0madK1ng]

About 15 years ago, after the manufactures tightened up their frontal collision standards, largely through the efforts of the IIHS (because the Federal standards had grown static), they noticed a significant improvement in injury/death rates from frontal collisions.

However, they also noticed that one type of frontal collision had not been much effected by the new standards - the small overlap crash (google it to compare it to a "regular" front end collision). The small overlap, despite being a small percentage of total frontal collisions, was responsible for a large and outsized percentage of the serious injury and death stats, often at relatively low speeds. Thus the IIHS responded by adding the then new small overlap test.

You rightly point out that people rate their own risk and adjust their behavior accordingly.

@N0madK1ng I got the Boss 4x4 kit installed today, easy peasy once you have the needed bolts . Turning wheels to lock is all that is needed, as someone upstream said you don't even need to loosen the modular front bumper as the directions suggest. @Heritage66 pics are good so I won't post mine...

Thanks! I appreciate the response!!

 

[Twister22]

I went with the JKS max tire kit. Its a bolt on installation no welding needed.

 

[fourdayoff]

My thinking is the same across the board

I am in more or less the same camp as @crenca (including the need for "Bonus Points") - they are no doubt there for a good reason, but with all the mods and armor (and weight) of my rig, even on 35's I am putting the Lobo Off-Road erase and brace kit on this week and don't expect to lose anything. It adds strength in its own way to the frame (horns) and front bumper; they say for off-angle winching but the way those gussets tie in I have to believe there is some crash protection added. Again, with such weight and geometry changes, the engineering model for those crash bars wouldn't apply as much in my case.

When I think of all the front end and other mods on rigs and muscle cars I've & others have done in the past without much of a second thought to this stuff, I am grateful that this forum and the vendor community really get us thinking of how to try and balance safety with looks/performance.

As in post #20 above, "a picture is worth a thousand words"

 

[N0madK1ng]

As in post #20 above, "a picture is worth a thousand words"

1000%

 

[B22-2023]

1000%

It’s coming, it’s taking longer than I expected to wrap up.

 

[B22-2023]

As in post #20 above, "a picture is worth a thousand words"

Pictures of the crash bar erase kit. It’s real metal too. @Lobo Off-Road this is a great bolt on kit, maybe you want to weigh in on the strength factor.

It was done on a lift at a shop with stands rather than me remove the FabFours bumper and winch/lighting in my garage, so very quickly done.

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