Video: Bill @ Evilletruck goes full send and breaks his Bronco

[mpeugeot]

If it broke today, and I had the M190, I would surely be replacing it with the M210, just because. Otherwise, you'll be waiting quite some time.

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[ex_nyer]

But since its first year model, have taken it to them they can log the issue, argue over what warranty does or does not cover, and hopefully I will have an answer and some parts before too long.
[/QUOTE]

Enjoyed the video ... probably not putting myself in that situation so it was fun to watch. And good on you for not bitching at Ford, your ride, drive it the way you want. Stay safe, look forward to your next video.

 

[Dads_bronze_bronco]

If they say its on me to pay for replacement it opens up some other options, do I let dealership replace it with M190 , do I do the work and upgrade it to M210? Wait for the Dana 44 thats supposed to come out next year? more options , possibly cheaper ones than having the dealer do it.

I vote upgrade to the M210 and regear the rear at the same time. (Isn’t an M210 and a Dana 44 the same thing?)

When something breaks, replace it with something better.

 

[Rubisquatch]

Nope

Well I know whats broken, what happens next still not sure.

Spider gear shot, ring gear shot, possibly more gears messed up? maybe, doesn't matter much though, anything in the front dif gets messed up there is no repairing it.

There is no dif cover you can pop open and change out gears or anything its a sealed unit, so anything goes bad, the whole thing needs to be changed.


This is a first for the dealership as is pretty much anything Bronco related, so they have sent all the information they have up the chain to see if it would be covered under warranty or not.

They don't want to charge me if it is but also the dealership is not going to pay for it if not.

So as of right now it's in limbo, people at Ford are considering what to do, we can all make assumptions about what they will say or do but until that time comes I stay in limbo.

Service manager did see video, person he has sent the information up to at Ford also has seen it, so one would assume no warrantee, however we have no idea if this is the first reported issue with the M190, maybe there have been others that have had issues with it already we don't know.

Everyone said the M190 was not going to be strong enough for an offroad vehicle, maybe its not, and has broken under less extreme situations, just not reported here on the forum.

If so there could be a viable warranty claim, not counting on one, but thats Ford's call to make.


So right now I have a 2WD Bronco, waiting to find out what calls Ford makes about how they tell the dealership to proceed.


Regardless of what Ford says, theres no replacement parts available for it right now anyway, so even if they say yes its covered, go ahead and replace it, they can't without the parts.

If they say its on me to pay for replacement it opens up some other options, do I let dealership replace it with M190 , do I do the work and upgrade it to M210? Wait for the Dana 44 thats supposed to come out next year? more options , possibly cheaper ones than having the dealer do it.

But since its first year model, have taken it to them they can log the issue, argue over what warranty does or does not cover, and hopefully I will have an answer and some parts before too long.

Thanks Bill for the update. Bummed you have to wait but I have to agree with everyone, your attitude is a model here and so glad to watch your videos and share in your Bronco experience.

And I’d upgrade to the 210 or D44.

 

[Ryuk]

Holy shit, the differential is not serviceable? What in the F?

That Spicer M220 D44 FDU sounds like the ticket. If you have to pay for it, it makes sense to go with something that you won't break as easily and that M190 on a 4dr with big tires just isn't stout enough.

 

[JPG]

Thanks for the update. Hang in there, let us know what happens, even if i was one of the negative ones, i completely understand what you are saying and respect your attitude.

 

[Lazerus]

Update on the damage:

 

[goatman2]

Gotcha thanks. I assumed that the M210 would be the same M210 Advantek D44 diff from the JL with the 32 spline setup. Another question is can you change out the Ring and pinion? According to this post is the front is a sealed unit?

The factory dealer accessory catalog shows different ring and pinion ratios for the M210 FDU, so gear ratios can be replaced. I think what he meant was that there is no diff cover, so you can't pull the axles out and change the gears. The whole unit must be removed from the truck and then split apart to work on it. Also, the dealer is not going to warranty or replace the broken parts in the diff, they would just replace the whole thing.

Yeah, I wonder why the M210 doesn't have 32 spline axles. Been looking to try to confirm axle spline count, the only thing so far that I've found on it is the Spicer website with product and part numbers, and it shows the M190 and M210 use 29 spline axles.

 

[mpeugeot]

The factory dealer accessory catalog shows different ring and pinion ratios for the M210 FDU, so gear ratios can be replaced. I think what he meant was that there is no diff cover, so you can't pull the axles out and change the gears. The whole unit must be removed from the truck and then split apart to work on it. Also, the dealer is not going to warranty or replace the broken parts in the diff, they would just replace the whole thing.

Yeah, I wonder why the M210 doesn't have 32 spline axles. Been looking to try to confirm axle spline count, the only thing so far that I've found on it is the Spicer website with product and part numbers, and it shows the M190 and M210 use 29 spline axles.

It also shows that a 4.70 gear ratio is going to be available for the M190, which does not make sense if it is truly a sealed unit.

 

[rugbysecondrow]

...As I've discovered elk hunting this past week. Never noticed the center horn stands proud of the rest of the wheel. Relaxed steering grip off road = yep, I'm the idiot that kept honking and alerting all the elk to my presence. I kept bumping it with my forearms. It's really loud... I hate it.

Ditto . I did this 2-3 times this weekend..

 

[Frankie945]

All I gotta say is don’t post your fuck ups on YouTube if you want to have something done under warranty. If they take care of you under warranty and replace the axle order the m210 do the swap then sell the other on eBay to help pay for the new diff.

And stay out of interlake that place sucks it’s mainly atv trails and it’s always a mud fest.

 

[foreWard]

@evilletruck Bill,
So you have a 2wd Bronco right now..did they give it back to you to drive while they work on the repair process? Or it is stuck at the dealer for awhile? I’d be pretty impressed if it still runs and drives normally just without 4wd. It seemed like I couple steering components could have been bent as well. Good luck with everything moving forward. I’ll keep watching your YT videos so you can get that extra nickel for the fix!

 

[Dads_bronze_bronco]

Hey Bill @evilletruck , you should ask Ford if they want to promote a M210 performance parts swap and rear end regear. Your channel and what happened has national attention, this is a prime opportunity for Ford to promote upgrading front diff and gearing when people add bigger tires and a lift for rugged off-roading (not just mall crawling swag). Complete with prime example of why you should!

 

[OX1]

What happened to this country that that walk in the park is now considered extreme abuse??
Used to be merciless every weekend for years on end without blowing up D44 R & P's (in this case, solid axle swapped 44, but a stock bronco axle none-the-less).

And the girls liked to get muddy too (hey maybe that's still a thing, but I stumbled on this pic and had to post)..........

 

[goatman2]

Should give pause to all of these "self-squatchers" with bigger tires and the M190 front diff. You get what you pay for most of the time.

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