NO New Bronco Retail Orders When 2023 Order Bank Opens 9/12. Dealer Stock and Converted Previous Orders Only.

[OmahaKevin]

Add this link to your post for those interested in how ford addressed the issue with the Maverick:

https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/f...heduled-in-the-order-they-are-received.13421/

That is promising.

But I'm a bit bothered that @Ford Motor Company is active on the Maverick forum but all they do here is "can I have your VIN?"

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[Arrowbear Rider]

I’m not sure what holding off a month would accomplish. Unless the month is spent assigning COVP to existing reservations. Otherwise might as well just let everyone order. We’ll see soon enough.

Hopefully it means that Ford is really closer to the end of the line than we are seeing/believing (we want to believe, but have been hurt before) and that by the close of MY22 production that every order that they are cleared to have parts for (clean unscheduled) actually get built by end of Oct.

But, if even 1% of the original 190k res are still really constraint orders, and there are a lot of orders for fully loaded top of the line models out there, I have 5 or so constraints myself just because it's a 2 door manual w/ SAS & Mod bumper, that's more than a month's production, so waiting a month and trying to clear or schedule as many of those remaining orders makes sense.

But I'm hoping that Ford's statement that they intend to get through as many my22 orders as possible is (for once) true and we see the light at the end of the tunnel; including my Bronco.

Getting through the orders is good for Ford and allows Ford to increase prices without price protection; that's millions of dollars on future orders. I/we expect more price increases for my23 and getting rid of the "order list" allows Ford more control an future prices.

IF THIS HAPPENS THEN: shit-howdy-I'm-a-happy-camper knowing that my '22 Bronco will keep it's value for years to come. With high demand and the fact they keep raising prices, waiting up to and for some longer than 2 years to pay MSRP will be cheap by comparison to the next couple of price increases.

 

[HieronymusLex]

Hopefully it means that Ford is really closer to the end of the line than we are seeing/believing (we want to believe, but have been hurt before) and that by the close of MY22 production that every order that they are cleared to have parts for (clean unscheduled) actually get built by end of Oct.

But, if even 1% of the original 190k res are still really constraint orders, and there are a lot of orders for fully loaded top of the line models out there, I have 5 or so constraints myself just because it's a 2 door manual w/ SAS & Mod bumper, that's more than a month's production, so waiting a month and trying to clear or schedule as many of those remaining orders makes sense.

But I'm hoping that Ford's statement that they intend to get through as many my22 orders as possible is (for once) true and we see the light at the end of the tunnel; including my Bronco.

Getting through the orders is good for Ford and allows Ford to increase prices without price protection; that's millions of dollars on future orders. I/we expect more price increases for my23 and getting rid of the "order list" allows Ford more control an future prices.

IF THIS HAPPENS THEN: shit-howdy-I'm-a-happy-camper knowing that my '22 Bronco will keep it's value for years to come. With high demand and the fact they keep raising prices, waiting up to and for some longer than 2 years to pay MSRP will be cheap by comparison to the next couple of price increases.

I personally think they are getting there. I live in Vancouver, BC. I have not seen a whole heck of a lot of Broncos around here until this month. I walk by my local dealer (not the biggest dealer in my area) and saw 7 Broncos waiting to be picked up. I really think Ford is starting to get there (most I have ever seen on that lot).

Demand is starting to decrease due to increased interest rates, inflation, increased cost of living, etc. because of this, chips are not as in high demand as they were at the beginning of 2022. I think things are getting better slowly. I feel we will see some progression in 2023 on Fords end. I am hoping they can put a serious dent in the current orders in the last part of 2022.

 

[Arrowbear Rider]

I think once the original line is cleared, Ford won't be allowing the "wait list" to get as long as it did, they will not want to price protect any more orders, so a limit on orders to only a few months out from production and then close the order banks; maybe six months at the start of the model year, IDK.

MY23 is probably going to change over to MY24 at the usual time of year which would mean a short production year for MY23 having started late. So, price increases with each model year along with limited production, high demand and a a short production year on year three should make our Broncos hold their value well over the next three to five years. That, and the overall shortage of new cars for the last three years will make all used cars hold their value longer; our Broncos are just way cooler and desirable... AND limited in numbers.

 

[HieronymusLex]

I think once the original line is cleared, Ford won't be allowing the "wait list" to get as long as it did, they will not want to price protect any more orders, so a limit on orders to only a few months out from production and then close the order banks; maybe six months at the start of the model year, IDK.

MY23 is probably going to change over to MY24 at the usual time of year which would mean a short production year for MY23 having started late. So, price increases with each model year along with limited production, high demand and a a short production year on year three should make our Broncos hold their value well over the next three to five years. That, and the overall shortage of new cars for the last three years will make all used cars hold their value longer; our Broncos are just way cooler and desirable... AND limited in numbers.

I am praying they get to the point in 2023 where you order in the current MY and you get it in the current MY. Things are definitely looking more hopeful than in the previous 2 MYs. I am seeing more and more Broncos on the street every day and it is giving me hope (it seems so much more as of the last month or so).

 

[grenjith7]

It is nuts out there. And I definitely want everyone to get there order that has placed it before me. This whole “dealer allocation” is BS. If someone places their order in, they should be next in line, no matter what dealer they did it at.

The other thing that irks me is the people placing like 5 and 6 orders…

If it is any consolation, Toyota is no better. Shopping around for 4Runners also. 1+ year wait for a TRD Pro. The dealers seem mad when I even ask about getting one… so it isn’t just Ford.

You can’t do much on people placing more orders. They may genuinely want it.
allocation system is not BS. Basically it allocates more to people who have sold more historically-both successful and not so successful models.
it will be very foolish on fords part to throw away allocation system and start allocating to any dealer who runs mass campaigns (saying less than invoice or so) across nation just for a desirable product and get thousand times the number of orders than their allocation. In my opinion, those dealers should be blamed. That is not customer service - it is disservice.
Secondly, orders can be made according to part availability. If parts are not there , it simply cannot be made

 

[KPLOBX]

It is nuts out there. And I definitely want everyone to get there order that has placed it before me. This whole “dealer allocation” is BS. If someone places their order in, they should be next in line, no matter what dealer they did it at.

The other thing that irks me is the people placing like 5 and 6 orders…

If it is any consolation, Toyota is no better. Shopping around for 4Runners also. 1+ year wait for a TRD Pro. The dealers seem mad when I even ask about getting one… so it isn’t just Ford.

I have a feeling part of this is preventing frustrated reservation/order holders from placing multiple orders at different dealers to try to get one sooner.

 

[iBrad81]

I have a feeling part of this is preventing frustrated reservation/order holders from placing multiple orders at different dealers to try to get one sooner.

Agreed, but Ford brought that on themselves with their ridiculous allocation game to feed their big dealers and crap on the small dealer and ignore reservation holders all together

 

[Djveks22]

Hopefully it means that Ford is really closer to the end of the line than we are seeing/believing (we want to believe, but have been hurt before) and that by the close of MY22 production that every order that they are cleared to have parts for (clean unscheduled) actually get built by end of Oct.

But, if even 1% of the original 190k res are still really constraint orders, and there are a lot of orders for fully loaded top of the line models out there, I have 5 or so constraints myself just because it's a 2 door manual w/ SAS & Mod bumper, that's more than a month's production, so waiting a month and trying to clear or schedule as many of those remaining orders makes sense.

But I'm hoping that Ford's statement that they intend to get through as many my22 orders as possible is (for once) true and we see the light at the end of the tunnel; including my Bronco.

Getting through the orders is good for Ford and allows Ford to increase prices without price protection; that's millions of dollars on future orders. I/we expect more price increases for my23 and getting rid of the "order list" allows Ford more control an future prices.

IF THIS HAPPENS THEN: shit-howdy-I'm-a-happy-camper knowing that my '22 Bronco will keep it's value for years to come. With high demand and the fact they keep raising prices, waiting up to and for some longer than 2 years to pay MSRP will be cheap by comparison to the next couple of price increases.

Are they just filling up to a dealers allocation or all orders (that are unscheduled clean”? Seems some dealers have like 20 allocations and like 150 orders?

 

[cpmartin1999]

I have a feeling part of this is preventing frustrated reservation/order holders from placing multiple orders at different dealers to try to get one sooner.

too late!! i have my regular order from march 21, then changed to a 22 in oct 21, , then in Jan 22 i said WTH and ordered from a new dealer, and that Jan 22 order is scheduled Aug 8!! This might mean i get aan email in oct that the original is coming also!!

 

[hemiblas]

I have a feeling part of this is preventing frustrated reservation/order holders from placing multiple orders at different dealers to try to get one sooner.

Yep. Happening more than we know.

 

[Letagoavs710]

Hopefully it means that Ford is really closer to the end of the line than we are seeing/believing (we want to believe, but have been hurt before) and that by the close of MY22 production that every order that they are cleared to have parts for (clean unscheduled) actually get built by end of Oct.

But, if even 1% of the original 190k res are still really constraint orders, and there are a lot of orders for fully loaded top of the line models out there, I have 5 or so constraints myself just because it's a 2 door manual w/ SAS & Mod bumper, that's more than a month's production, so waiting a month and trying to clear or schedule as many of those remaining orders makes sense.

But I'm hoping that Ford's statement that they intend to get through as many my22 orders as possible is (for once) true and we see the light at the end of the tunnel; including my Bronco.

Getting through the orders is good for Ford and allows Ford to increase prices without price protection; that's millions of dollars on future orders. I/we expect more price increases for my23 and getting rid of the "order list" allows Ford more control an future prices.

IF THIS HAPPENS THEN: shit-howdy-I'm-a-happy-camper knowing that my '22 Bronco will keep it's value for years to come. With high demand and the fact they keep raising prices, waiting up to and for some longer than 2 years to pay MSRP will be cheap by comparison to the next couple of price increases.

We would really like to think so. But Granger still has 900 orders and the vast majority (6-7-800?) of those are from October 2020 and earlier. They still have a ton of July reservation holders. Stephens and some of the other smaller dealers are the same way. We’re in the same boat with the 2 door as you. Super highly constrained 2 door badlands and the Granger effect.

It’s hard to say if the line has moved since our position has barely changed, we’re still like 170th in line. So to us, it’s still a disaster lol. But hopefully there’s truth to the COVP system and Ford can do that to prioritize what’s left and end this. They need to get on track and not have lines and be price protecting 3 year old orders. If we somehow don’t get ours before next August, that’s THREE YEARS! Either way, it benefits them to appease us and get this fixed. They look like the good guy by fulfilling the price protection and taking care of us and everyone is happy. We shall see.

Truthfully I’ve lost all hope and respect for Ford so thinking my wife is getting her Bronco as a 23’ feels like I’m lying to myself.

 

[Tazn69Bronco]

I've read many of the responses. Not all but many. My take is I'm not mad they are putting on paper what they should have done from the beginning. This is just the reservation system in a different form! It's why we did it in the first place and it meant nothing obviously. They told us last year MY21 builds would get priority. How many of those are still unbuilt? Better yet why!?!

I have interest in getting into the order que for MY23 and plan on a long wait, but if they start sprinkling new orders into the old in just a few months like they did last year they will never catch up!

How many orders are actually built and just have to be finished due to supply chain issues and shipped? I haven't seen a post on that in a while. At one point that was over 30-50k

 

[BlueBronco]

You can’t do much on people placing more orders. They may genuinely want it.
allocation system is not BS. Basically it allocates more to people who have sold more historically-both successful and not so successful models.
it will be very foolish on fords part to throw away allocation system and start allocating to any dealer who runs mass campaigns (saying less than invoice or so) across nation just for a desirable product and get thousand times the number of orders than their allocation. In my opinion, those dealers should be blamed. That is not customer service - it is disservice.
Secondly, orders can be made according to part availability. If parts are not there , it simply cannot be made

By all means, lets rehash this argument again that has been beat to death for almost 2 years now...

Yes, the allocation system has its place. But Broncos were supposed be first come first serve. No mention of allocations or delivery will depend on how many units your dealer receives. The dealers offering discounts were playing within the Ford established rules at the time. Then, Ford slowly changed the rules to benefit the bigger dealers and subtly slipped in language to the faq to reinforce the fact.

August 2020:

October 2020:

 

[Letagoavs710]

Go vote. Let’s see.

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/reservation-holders-only-poll.50852/

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