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The Slate totally brings back memories of the 1st gen Ranger and Bronco II with the optional rear hatch. They should sell well.
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The Slate totally brings back memories of the 1st gen Ranger and Bronco II with the optional rear hatch. They should sell well.
We will see. I am not a band wagoneer... I like the idea but I will await judgment until I see the manifestation of the ideas. Great on paper but I want to see, feel, touch the finished product.
 

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Impractical at first - until it isn’t. You can’t stop progress. Coming from a former professional diesel mechanic.
They had electric propelled and steam propelled vehicles when the horseless carriages emerged. The steam went extinct and it has been over a century and the electric still isn’t a truly viable option when compared to the ICE. I have been in dozens of electric vehicles and their starting line torque is ferocious. To ferocious for the average driver. What keeps me from even considering an electric vehicle is my garage that is full of battery power tools that can’t be used because the batteries are no longer manufactured. I am sure one day either through innovation or governmental force EV will be the only option. Thankfully I will have long since passed on and avoid that time.
 

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Then it would break the laws of physics in one area and be insanely dangerous in another.

Flamesuit on.

Nobody needs to accelerate quicker than 0-60mph in 5 seconds on the road. Would everyone still love EVs if they were regulated by the federal government, from whom they took money, to 6 second 0-60 times so we don't have a 5ft-nothing parent turning kids into pink mist?

If it took me 30 minutes to fill up an ICE vehicle for a 1000 mile range, I would call it a failure... to it's face!
My brother, who is about as far from a granola kid as they get (former Marine, fire fighter, police, etc) has a behemoth ICE SUV and an EV sedan. Unless they need the extra seats, they take the EV.

He likes most of all the gas mileage equivalent, it's very cheap to recharge. They just plug it in when they get home.

People can hate EVs if they want (some people hate ICE 🤷‍♂️ ) but it's irrational to say they have no upside.
 

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My brother, who is about as far from a granola kid as they get (former Marine, fire fighter, police, etc) has a behemoth ICE SUV and an EV sedan. Unless they need the extra seats, they take the EV.

He likes most of all the gas mileage equivalent, it's very cheap to recharge. They just plug it in when they get home.

People can hate EVs if they want (some people hate ICE 🤷‍♂️ ) but it's irrational to say they have no upside.
I didn't say they have no upside, but your brother's situation illustrates my usual soap box points. You have to have more than one vehicle right now because EVs are not able to fully replace ICE vehicles right now and we're letting manufacturers strip mine for the vehicular paper straw.

I enjoyed renting Ford Fusion hybrids with ACC for boring drives. I would get one of those VW Buzzes if it had double the real world range that it does. It would likely still be a second vehicle. It would handle the boring tasks and my Bronco would be the completely irrational vehicle that it was always meant to be.

Get all the EV supporters to push as hard to get more nuclear plants and break up the energy monopolies and I will support EVs.
 

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My brother, who is about as far from a granola kid as they get (former Marine, fire fighter, police, etc) has a behemoth ICE SUV and an EV sedan. Unless they need the extra seats, they take the EV.

He likes most of all the gas mileage equivalent, it's very cheap to recharge. They just plug it in when they get home.

People can hate EVs if they want (some people hate ICE 🤷‍♂️ ) but it's irrational to say they have no upside.
That's relative. For instance California has electric rates 4 times what I pay in Arizona
 

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People who like to go 4wheeling should also keep in mind that the segment of the population pushing for EVs and Hybrids are also pushing to outlaw things like off-roading.

And that EV is only able to go places with charging infrastructure. No multi-day trips over the Rubicon with one. Unless you are willing to carry a generator and the gas for it. Hardly saving the planet doing that.
 

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That's relative. For instance California has electric rates 4 times what I pay in Arizona
Well you have to remember that electric rates are helping to repay for fire damage... billions of dollars worth... that supposedly started by faulty maintenance by PGE.... That would be a big part of the rates they are paying.
 

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Only those who can not produce there own electricity.... Or petroleum products (or their substitutes)....
That is smart - Replace gas with grass!

Hay is almost cheaper right now. Almost.
 

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That is smart - Replace gas with grass!

Hay is almost cheaper right now. Almost.
within a few years I should be producing all the grass I would need... as well as electricity and hydrogen.... I should even be bottling some oxygen that I can slowly release back into the house for a slightly elevated oxygen environment. Already have the property and am currently polishing designs. I think it should take about 5 years to hit completion.
 

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Well you have to remember that electric rates are helping to repay for fire damage... billions of dollars worth... that supposedly started by faulty maintenance by PGE.... That would be a big part of the rates they are paying.
Maintenance they were denied permission to do by Sacramento
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