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[Razorbak86]

What I’d like to know is... how did you get the combination to my gun safe?!? ? ?

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[Kos]

Is it me or does anyone see this when they look at a 4Runner...

Ummm....

 

[Chief1301]

Actually it’s owned by the stock holders and like all major corporations they come from a multitude of nationalities

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's a world economy, blah, blah, blah. But BMW, aka, Big Money Waste. Is still headquartered in Munich Germany.

 

[Kos]

I’m on my second 4Runner. They’ve been the number one seller in their class for years like the Tacoma.

I like the 4Runner and the best vehicle I have ever had was a 2006 Tacoma. My issue is the powertrain and technology package is dated. I could switch if they come out with the redesign that they’ve been promising for years before it’s too late, but I doubt it. Even if it does, I’m not holding out hope. For the last decade, everything that Toyota has done that is a “redesign” is what most car companies would call a “refresh”.

 

[Chief1301]

Ummm....

I don't see any resemblance at all. ?

 

[Carolina Jim]

To me, the 'nationality' of a company has more to do with where their taxes go than where their corporate office is located. Unfortunately, that information is damn near impossible to track - given the convoluted corporate structures, taxes/deferrals/credits involved in business today.

Full employment for tax attorneys and accountants

 

[Lilj4425]

Plant Spartanburg celebrated its 25th anniversary this year and employs the more than 11,000 workers who build the majority of BMWs sold in America.

More than 4.75 million vehicles have since been built in the state and the 7 million-square-foot facility has undergone six expansions. The BMW Group -- which also includes Rolls-Royce and MINI -- has invested $10.6 billion in the facility, including millions of dollars on the company's production of PHEV (plug-in hybrid electric vehicle) models.

The BMW Group has been the highest value vehicle exporter from the U.S. for the last five years, according to U.S. Department of Commerce data.

BMW is proof that "Germans contribute so much to the U.S. economy," Doug Woodward, a professor of economics at the University of South Carolina, told ABC News. According to his research, BMW supports nearly 121,000 jobs in the U.S. and the company boosts annual U.S. gross domestic product by $15.8 billion. For every 10 jobs that BMW creates, 90 more jobs "are sustained through an economic ripple effect on the supplier network and through related consumer spending on U.S. goods and services," he said.

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/25-years-ago-bmw-opened-shop-south-carolina/story?id=67581133

 

[WhiteMamba]

Here is a Toyota plant in San Antonio, Texas. That is in the USA not Japan. And Americans build the Tundras and Tacomas not Japanese people.

we unload 3-4k toyotas a week here in Portland off of ships, besides the camry, tundra and tacoma, everything else is shipped here.

 

[mneblett]

Let's see, BMW in NA: 99% American workers, assembling the products produced by U.S. workers at dozens of sub-tier suppliers who have also built plants nearby (U.S. and foreign, just like Ford), all having huge a trickle-down economic boost effect increasing the living standards of most everyone in their U.S. communities.

Let's see #2, Ford in NA: >90% Mexican workers and >90% Canadians in Ford's non-U.S. plants, assembling the products produced by Mexican workers at dozens of sub-tier suppliers who have also built plants nearby. (ignoring for the moment the many other non-U.S. plants across the globe).

It doesn't matter much where the profits go (Germany or the U.S.), as that money either goes into further R&D to make newer/better products or goes to stockholders -- there ain't much of that that goes to U.S. workers, regardless of the owner (and btw, BMW has R&D/design facilities in the U.S., too, employing U.S. workers).

As far as vehicle content sources, BMW and Ford operate in the real world -- both put in parts from wherever available with a specified quality at a specified price point. I haven't checked lately, but I'd wager that many of the BMW X-series vehicles built in South Carolina have a higher U.S. part content that many Fords -- including Fords assembled in U.S. Ford plants (much stuff sourced from Canada, Mexico, China, Indonesia, etc.).

This is not a post bashing Ford -- they are only doing what everyone else is. The point is if U.S. buyers want to buy non-U.S. manufacturers' cars (which they obviously do, regardless of how patriotic they are), I'd rather have a significant percentage of the cost of the car stay in the U.S. in U.S. workers' pockets, than have zero percent be in their pockets because the entire vehicle is built somewhere else on the globe.
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The real issues here are what are consumers willing to pay for, what are they demanding, and how much of a premium are they willing to pay for a U.S.-only product.

*We* are the source of U.S. and foreign manufacturer production decisions. I'm as patriotic as the next guy (including U.S. Navy service), but I don't have a mind closed to the realities of the marketplace.

The fact that BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. have literally dozens of plants in the U.S., and hundreds more of U.S. and foreign sub-tier supplier plants in the U.S. is something we should be *thankful* for, for the money it keeps here in U.S. worker pockets.

Where a manufacturer's headquarters is located is no longer relevant. Would it be nice if 100% of Americans would buy a 100% U.S. made and assembled product from U.S. factories? (no need to debate that, as arguments can be made on both sides) But Americans have overwhelmingly rejected that, instead buying what they view to the be best vehicle value, regardless of manufacturer -- just check out how small the U.S. big 3's market shares are today.

So, in today's world: more plants in the U.S. is better for the U.S., regardless of who holds the deed to the property.

Well, you asked!

 

[mneblett]

BINGO!!!!

 

[SFNMutt]

Black I terior in the 1st Ed is great news. That blue interior was odd & enough that I would have had to have changed my order.

 

[Aardvark53]

This the same feeling you get when you're excited and then comes the ass kickin of your life. Well, I'll be getting my Bronco in 22.

 

[Vigor]

This the same feeling you get when you're excited and then comes the ass kickin of your life. Well, I'll be getting my Bronco in 22.

Must say I've never been excited and then had an ass kicking

 

[Treeza61]

Like the Tundra and Tacoma built in San Antonio?

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