Hoss 3.0 steering rack on Non sas

[Bikeric]

I agree. I think a lot of it came from the "OMG Tie rods!" so people went out and beefed up their tie rods - without regard to the entire system - to the point that the rack started to go. Not for everyone, mind you, all it takes is one or two prominent Youtubers out there and it's suddenly epidemic proportions.

Had they not done anything -they might have bent a $30 tie rod that could have been swapped in the field. But instead they blew a $1,300 steering box that leaves them stranded. But at least that tie rod still looks great with that brace on there!

I'd say if you are out there actually popping tie rods like they are Tylenol on the night after a bender - then yeah, you need the upgrade. But if you are still on stock tie rods and just think you might have an issue running up the curb at Starbucks... just throw a Tricky Dick tie rod kit in the back

I bought into the issue a couple years ago, but I removed my “brace” and carry a Tricky Dick tie rod kit myself. Never needed it, but good insurance.

I personally think the issue was/is with individuals holding a Death Grip on the steering wheel when a rock is trying to bump a front tire. Relax your grip and let that steering wheel roll…..

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[Brian_B]

I have a 2024 Big bend Non Sas

I would also say - if you are considering the 3.0 Steering Rack, especially the billet 74 Weld version - you should also be considering at least the m210 front locker upgrade, if not the Spicer Elite 32-spline FDU.

And dropping your gear ratio at the same time - 4.7 or lower gearing. Which may mean you need a new rear carrier, depending on if you have the rear locker option or not.

Now - by the time you do all of that - the only thing you are missing out on SAS is the suspension (which you will probably should upgrade to do the lift) and the Advanced T-Case (which has pros and cons)

I'd get your Bronco out there and find out what it's limits are before you start throwing a ton of money at it - or... if you are that worried about it - go trade it in for a SAS or Badlands/Wildtrak. It will be a lot cheaper in the long run. A non-SAS Bronco is still a very capable rig.

 

[BAUS67]

I bought into the issue a couple years ago, but I removed my “brace” and carry a Tricky Dick tie rod kit myself. Never needed it, but good insurance.

I personally think the issue was/is with individuals holding a Death Grip on the steering wheel when a rock is trying to bump a front tire. Relax your grip and let that steering wheel roll…..

Driving style makes a huge difference in how well the tie rods hold up.

 

[Bikeric]

Driving style makes a huge difference in how well the tie rods hold up.

Here is a 26,000 + mile 2022 Bronco Badlands, still on the original Factory tie rods and steering rack (after also doing Moab), going up some stuff most Jeeps won’t even try.

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[BAUS67]

Here is a 26,000 + mile 2022 Bronco Badlands, still on the original Factory tie rods and steering rack (after also doing Moab), going up some stuff most Bronco’s never will.

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I love the look of all those Jeepers thinking, "Oh, there is no way he is going up that"

Love that vid. My guess is you were just using just the rear locker???

 

[SierraBronco]

You had zero need for the HOSS 3.0 rack, so the difficulty/compatibility of the install saved you thousands $$.

The entire Bronco “weak steering rack” has really been overblown.

Don’t brace the tierods - let them do their job as the fusable link. Don’t install bushings. Use the front locker sparingly. Three trips to Moab (with other wheeling in between) on stock Sasquatch wheels/tires, and the added weight of tools/toolbox/full UHMW belly skids. The 2.0 steering rack was perfectly fine when we pulled it. No metal shavings.

But if you lift you rig, run bigger tires, etcetera-yeah. You might run into some problems.

 

[Bikeric]

I love the look of all those Jeepers thinking, "Oh, there is no way he is going up that"

Love that vid. My guess is you were just using just the rear locker???

You might be able to see me miss the 1st to Crawl gear shift in the first 30 seconds. . Hands and fingers get nervous sometimes.

 

[mpeugeot]

The incompatibility issue is way overblown. It isn't all non-sasquatch 4 doors iirc. It was non-sasquatch 4 door Badlands that were not supported. I have programmed this rack for more people than nearly anyone else, and I have yet to actually witness any issues.

 

[NORCALGXP]

You had zero need for the HOSS 3.0 rack, so the difficulty/compatibility of the install saved you thousands $$.

The entire Bronco “weak steering rack” has really been overblown.

I still have my og 2.0 in the attic, replaced it with the 3.0 in December last year. In Moab in May 3.0 toast, just installed another 3.0. Should have but the 2.0 back in. Ran Rubicon and Moab multiple times no issues. Thank Broncbuster for all the hype he can't drive tries to break shit to sell shit, all the while on 40s.

 

[Deleted member 63875]

Hi! i was thinking about this (i have just booked a Bronco MY23 as in Italy even now we can get that, it needs 1 year from mfg to get it here, so we have 1 year delay).
if:
1) ford severe duty package is not available for 4 door non-sas despite a reasonable simplicity to get SAS steering package replicated for NON-sas vehicle;
2) new MY24 has been installed by default for economies of scales on all models.
3) except the initial recall, there are no recalls for this

is it reasonable to think that, despite all the gossips, the severe duty is not a problem for STOCK and NON-SAS broncos?
if there is even a minor risk of hazard (which could occur in road driving with familty, even if the crack is generated during extreme offroading), a recall should be there. but it is not.

furthemore i don't see many comments of broken steering by non-sas owner. all i understand are due to lifted/larger tyre usage
can u transfer some hope to me about my thinking?
thanks and ciao

 

[dgorsett]

"if there is even a minor risk of hazard (which could occur in road driving with familty, even if the crack is generated during extreme offroading), a recall should be there. but it is not."

Kinda my thinking, If it was much of an issue for your typical off roader some would have broken on the way home from an adventure and rolled in the median causing Ford to recall. That said, since they're beefing up the new Sasquatchs they're kinda admitting a problem. I have a little lift with little tires, but i do get rowdy sometimes so I watch these threads.

 

[userdude]

"if there is even a minor risk of hazard (which could occur in road driving with familty, even if the crack is generated during extreme offroading), a recall should be there. but it is not."

Kinda my thinking, If it was much of an issue for your typical off roader some would have broken on the way home from an adventure and rolled in the median causing Ford to recall. That said, since they're beefing up the new Sasquatchs they're kinda admitting a problem. I have a little lift with little tires, but i do get rowdy sometimes so I watch these threads.

I can't remember where I heard it (recently), but someone pointed out all IFS have the tie rod bending/snapping issue, it's just new to the Bronco. Combine that with new to off roading owners and a lot of the hullaballoo was probably inevitable. So while people have snapped tie rods, perhaps not as many as some people suspect, and certainly not enough for NHTSA to get involved, considering the technology.

 

[Tom801]

Nope. Yup. Apparently all 2drs are compatible.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-3200-WT

I'm currently researching what all I'd need to get my 2dr on 37s and I thought I was going crazy looking at the reqs and seeing it wasn't compatible with non sas 4drs but apparently it's fine with non sas 2drs? I don't know the details behind it but that's funny/bizarre to me.

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