Random Thoughts on B&P

[Rickey498]

You are not buying Ford's entire lineup, LOL! You are buying a model that does have a choice of transmissions. On the Bronco, the 7MT is standard and the 10AT is optional. Is this that hard to understand?!?

It’s only optional on the 2.3. ? you can only get the 2.7 with an automatic. Perhaps you should do a little more research before you comment.

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[Rickey498]

The 2.7 doesn't offer shit, it's a friggin' engine! You are spec'ing out a Bronco. If you want the 2.7, you have to upgrade to the 10AT. Simple as that!

I’m I think it offers more horse power and torque. But what do I know. I’m arguing with a guy who thinks the 2.7 comes with a manual and automatic transmission when you can only get to with the automatic. ?‍

 

[Pdiddy22]

Dang you guys! I was trying to not think about math for two weeks!

You realize your arguments all hinged around the fact that the first comment used the ambiguous term "average".

Maybe he meant the mode, in which case, all bets are off, it could be possibly tons more than 50% are below "average". Or maybe nobody is below that.

So technically it was really "50% have an IQ below the 'best measure of central tendency" without him specifying which measure of central tendency he was using. For the comment to be true in all cases he had to be talking about the median.

Which as one of you just pointed out, the statement is true for the median, but not necessarily true for the mean.

I'm just sad I can't figure out how to work in the difference between the Geometric mean and the Arithmetic mean into this chat (since Arithmetic Mean is the one people assume when you say to take an "Average" or find the "Mean" and nobody seems to know a Geometric Mean even exists).????

My high school math teacher said

Dang you guys! I was trying to not think about math for two weeks!

You realize your arguments all hinged around the fact that the first comment used the ambiguous term "average".

Maybe he meant the mode, in which case, all bets are off, it could be possibly tons more than 50% are below "average". Or maybe nobody is below that.

So technically it was really "50% have an IQ below the 'best measure of central tendency" without him specifying which measure of central tendency he was using. For the comment to be true in all cases he had to be talking about the median.

Which as one of you just pointed out, the statement is true for the median, but not necessarily true for the mean.

I'm just sad I can't figure out how to work in the difference between the Geometric mean and the Arithmetic mean into this chat (since Arithmetic Mean is the one people assume when you say to take an "Average" or find the "Mean" and nobody seems to know a Geometric Mean even exists).????

My high school math teacher said that I was average. I told her that was mean

 

[Rydfree]

The 2.7 doesn't offer shit, it's a friggin' engine! You are spec'ing out a Bronco. If you want the 2.7, you have to upgrade to the 10AT. Simple as that!

Hence why it was a safe assumption that the price was included in the 2.7 upgrade , especially since the Ford product specialists specifically answered with " Yes, it's a steal of a deal ".

 

[Bronc-O]

Hopefully they don’t start charging extra for the power steering. ?

I'm beginning to understand why you're getting called out with one negative post after another. We realize some people are unhappy, but some are going overboard with nonsense.

 

[Aman]

It’s only optional on the 2.3. ? you can only get the 2.7 with an automatic. Perhaps you should do a little more research before you comment.

I’m I think it offers more horse power and torque. But what do I know. I’m arguing with a guy who thinks the 2.7 comes with a manual and automatic transmission when you can only get to with the automatic. ?‍

Rickey, it's cute that you think I need to do a little more research, but nah, I think I'm good.

You are not buying an engine. You are buying a Bronco. You are given a choice of two engines and two transmissions. Let me make it simple for you.

Engine Priority:
If you choose the 2.3L, you can choose either the 7MT or 10AT. There is an upcharge for the 10AT.
If you choose the 2.7L, you have to choose the 10AT. There is an upcharge for both the 2.7L and the 10AT.

Transmission Priority:
If you choose the 7MT, you have to choose the 2.3L.
If you choose the 10AT, you can choose either the 2.3L or the 2.7L. There is an upcharge for both the 10AT and the 2.7L.

See, it's not that hard. I know you are sad that you have to pay more to get more, but that's just how it works.

 

[Rick Astley]

Full transparency, I still have my reservation and am likely to follow through to order but would like to share.

Here is my issue/concern and thoughts with the whole B&P situation.

B&P opened on 10/23. Almost immediately it was noted and brought to Ford’s attention that there were some potential errors to it. Rather than immediately go in and correct it, those errors were allowed to stay. Then almost two months later it was changed to correct the errors.

Yes, we all should know auto transmission doesn’t come free. Yes we know the B&P is just a tool. But it goes deeper than that.

This wasn’t an innocent oversight by Ford. If it was, the changes would have been made immediately in October when it was brought to their attention. Or Ford would have announced “a revised B&P will be released on or around....”

Instead this change (finally) occurred just days before Christmas, a week and a half before New Years and a few mere weeks before orders are set to open.

Funny how Ford won’t let you save the configuration and instead says “print it out”. See, they didn’t want us going back in to the B&P. They wanted us to print it and then stare at it on paper. This way they can slip in the corrections without much fanfare. Hence the ironic timing of the “correction”.

This is a tactic to allow buyers to get into a buyers mindset where mentally you feel you need that Sasquatch package. Or need that higher model. Then when you go to place the actual order, the extra cost becomes insignificant because mentally you already can see yourself wheeling around on those 35s or in that upgraded model. The wrench in Ford’s plan was when it became noticible to so many customers on December 20th.

That and only that is why Ford came back with “we are working to correct it”. It’s not because it takes additional weeks to correct the B&P, it’s because the HQ is figuring out damage control on the outrage.

The only problem with the rationalization you've invented for yourself is that it is wrong.

Now, choosing to ignore that your statement is incorrect, it's pretty sensationalist and would make it's own stand-alone topic.

I'll take the time to tell you what will REALLY happen (and in reality) when you order your Bronco with the dealership once the order banks open. This will be based on actual experience ordering an actual Ford product using their actual order process at an actual dealership right here in the real world!

• This experience comes from pre-ordering a 2019 Ranger which was the Ford's first launch of a new product and using the current system which is still in place for Bronco pre-ordering (not the reservation process, we're talking about the physical order of the vehicle)
  
  
• You'll go into the dealership at your appointed time as they only have a few employees who have access to the system for pre-ordering a vehicle.
  
  
• That employee will know just about nothing regarding pricing, how options interlace with each other. They will be highly trained at the ability to scroll around a page for some time, expert use of the mouse is displayed at this time.
  
  
• The employee will "help" you input your build and then submit the order to their finance director or person in charge of submitting direct orders on-hand at that time.
  • "help" is used loosely. They just want your order in and don't care what you select, and if the system allows them to click a option box, they will for you. If it doesn't, they won't know why.
  • The finance person also wanted a $1,000 deposit to use their allocation for your custom build. They hold that check until your vehicle is delivered and it gets applied to the purchase of the vehicle.
  • The employee has ZERO ABILITY TO CHANGE PRICES FROM THE SYSTEM
  • The finance manager has ZERO ABILTIY TO CHANGE PRICES FROM THE SYSTEM.

Cool, now you got it. Please keep these wildly inaccurate and fantastic conspiracy theories to yourself...... Or ask how the process will go so you can be informed.

Full disclosure: I'm not a Ford employee, i'm a customer. One who it seems paid more attention to this process and asked more questions to be informed on the process with Ranger than you are with Bronco. Multiple Ford employees have confirmed with my assessment of the process as being accurate to Bronco as well.

 

[Aman]

Hence why it was a safe assumption that the price was included in the 2.7 upgrade , especially since the Ford product specialists specifically answered with " Yes, it's a steal of a deal ".

I don't think that was safe assumption, but it was the assumption that was made by many 2.7L/10AT buyers. It sucks that Ford has "fixed" the B&P, but think they were always planning on charging separately for both.

We have received plenty of erroneous information from the "specialists", so I put little stock into what they say.

 

[Dwolen]

The only problem with the rationalization you've invented for yourself is that it is wrong.

Now, choosing to ignore that your statement is incorrect, it's pretty sensationalist and would make it's own stand-alone topic.

I'll take the time to tell you what will REALLY happen (and in reality) when you order your Bronco with the dealership once the order banks open. This will be based on actual experience ordering an actual Ford product using their actual order process at an actual dealership right here in the real world!

• This experience comes from pre-ordering a 2019 Ranger which was the Ford's first launch of a new product and using the current system which is still in place for Bronco pre-ordering (not the reservation process, we're talking about the physical order of the vehicle)
  
  
• You'll go into the dealership at your appointed time as they only have a few employees who have access to the system for pre-ordering a vehicle.
  
  
• That employee will know just about nothing regarding pricing, how options interlace with each other. They will be highly trained at the ability to scroll around a page for some time, expert use of the mouse is displayed at this time.
  
  
• The employee will "help" you input your build and then submit the order to their finance director or person in charge of submitting direct orders on-hand at that time.
  • "help" is used loosely. They just want your order in and don't care what you select, and if the system allows them to click a option box, they will for you. If it doesn't, they won't know why.
  • The finance person also wanted a $1,000 deposit to use their allocation for your custom build. They hold that check until your vehicle is delivered and it gets applied to the purchase of the vehicle.
  • The employee has ZERO ABILITY TO CHANGE PRICES FROM THE SYSTEM
  • The finance manager has ZERO ABILTIY TO CHANGE PRICES FROM THE SYSTEM.

Cool, now you got it. Please keep these wildly inaccurate and fantastic conspiracy theories to yourself...... Or ask how the process will go so you can be informed.

Full disclosure: I'm not a Ford employee, i'm a customer. One who it seems paid more attention to this process and asked more questions to be informed on the process with Ranger than you are with Bronco. Multiple Ford employees have confirmed with my assessment of the process as being accurate to Bronco as well.

I kept reading your post waiting for you to tell me how I was wrong but all you did was take shots at dealership employees and how they aren’t knowledgeable of the product.

Whether the dealer is knowledgeable about the product or not was not a topic I spoke on.

You absolutely did nothing to explain anything or tell me how I was wrong (which if I am, I am)

 

[Razorbak86]

My money’s on Aman to win this debate. Since he joined this forum on July 6th... PRE-BRONCO-REVEAL... he’s a wise, old grandfather around here. Most of his debate opponents joined this forum POST-REVEAL (like me), which was approximately 500 BronCOVID years later.

 

[Rickey498]

Rickey, it's cute that you think I need to do a little more research, but nah, I think I'm good.

You are not buying an engine. You are buying a Bronco. You are given a choice of two engines and two transmissions. Let me make it simple for you.

Engine Priority:
If you choose the 2.3L, you can choose either the 7MT or 10AT. There is an upcharge for the 10AT.
If you choose the 2.7L, you have to choose the 10AT. There is an upcharge for both the 2.7Land the 10AT.

Transmission Priority:
If you choose the 7MT, you have to choose the 2.3L.
If you choose the 10AT, you can choose either the 2.3L or the 2.7L. There is an upcharge for both the 10AT and the 2.7L.

See, it's not that hard. I know you are sad that you have to pay more to get more, but that's just how it works.

See you are getting it. But you can’t seem to make the connection that since there is only one transmission option, there should be one price for the engine. Just like they do for the ranger, escape, explorer, f150 and so on. I hard is that to understand. The even had it noted in the brochure. At this point it’s a difference in option. Your are trying to make excuses for Ford while the rest of us bitch about yet another screw up in this roll out. Two months they let it go.

 

[Gquag]

I can’t believe anyone actually thought the automatic transmission is free. Or the upgraded transfer case being free either. Can’t fix stupid.
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Who told you that?

The 6% reduction for options and accessories is intended to be an estimate of the dealer invoice pricing vs. MSRP for options and accessories. When you order your vehicle with your dealer, the actual "dealer invoice" will be known, and it may or may not equal 94% of the MSRP for such items. But it should be close.

Granger Motors Ford. IA. the information was offered to me, I asked twice specifically really. YES Maybe dealer specific, Oct. Res Only??
I'll Call and check again. Things seem to come and go at a whim around this Ford project.

 

[Rickey498]

I'm beginning to understand why you're getting called out with one negative post after another. We realize some people are unhappy, but some are going overboard with nonsense.

It was a joke but I stand by my statement about the transmission. The 2.7 on comes with an automatic so it should have been built into the price like it is on every other vehicle Ford sells. Not to mention it’s been asked about and noted in brochures and Ford continued to let it go for two months. You and two others responded to my post, so it isn’t as if everyone is coming after me. And at this point I am just trolling Aman. We have a difference in option. I think Ford is screwing up the roll out and losing reservations in the process. Aman thinks they are doing great. ?‍

 

[Rickey498]

I'm beginning to understand why you're getting called out with one negative post after another. We realize some people are unhappy, but some are going overboard with nonsense.

I will always argue my point, especially when I know I’m not wrong.

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