B&O and Base Speaker Size and Location

[mortgagebruce]

I am also looking at audiofrog as an upgrade to the base system. I will be getting a 2 door Big Bend. i have a couple questions as I have not upgraded a sound system in a LONG time.

1. For the 4” speakers would I need to look at the GS40 or GS42? One is a midrange and says it can work with a separate tweeter and crossover and the other is a 2-way?
2. Do I need an amp and DSP? If so where should I start my research? Looking to spend $1k-$1500 on whole system.
3. Can you add speakers? For example add center? Or is it not really necessary?

Thanks.

If you want really great sound, you’ll need a DSP amp to go with those speakers. Once calibrated for the vehicle, it should sound awesome but I think you'd have a hard time getting everything you want, including installation at that price point. I'd recommend starting with a local car audio specialist who can show you what's available in your price point and go from there. I spent quite a bit more, but wanted the vehicle to remain looking factory so finding an amp that could power all 10 speakers in the B&O system and fit without crazy modification

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[Wolfeman]

Does the B&O come with components in the dash or are they coaxial? The diagram says 80mm and 10mm.

 

[mpeugeot]

Does the B&O come with components in the dash or are they coaxial? The diagram says 80mm and 10mm.

I have heard coaxial, so that's what I ordered today. A pair of Morel Maximo Coax 4 for the rear pods and Morel Maximo Ultra 402 Coax for the front two channels. I will find out soon enough whether or not it's worth it.

 

[Wolfeman]

I have heard coaxial, so that's what I ordered today. A pair of Morel Maximo Coax 4 for the rear pods and Morel Maximo Ultra 402 Coax for the front two channels. I will find out soon enough whether or not it's worth it.

I have another thread going where a member posted pics of the front, kick, and rear pod speakers. Only ones not posted were the center channel and the subwoofer. Coax in the front, mid-range in the kick and rear pods or at least that's how it appears to me.

Let us know how you like the Morel speakers.

 

[NMBronco2021]

Rockford...Fosgate. Uh, ok.

In other news, the kick panel location has a cutout in the sheetmetal for a 6.5" round. Are you planning on cutting the sheetmetal to fit a 6x9?

Isn't that what power tools were made for??

 

[mpeugeot]

I have another thread going where a member posted pics of the front, kick, and rear pod speakers. Only ones not posted were the center channel and the subwoofer. Coax in the front, mid-range in the kick and rear pods or at least that's how it appears to me.

Let us know how you like the Morel speakers.

I should have them in today, originally I was disappointed that I wasn't able to get all 4 Ultra Coax 402's (discontinued/out of stock after I ordered the last pair). However, when I pulled the speakers out from the front and rear, I discovered that they weren't matched anyway. The front speakers appear to a a slightly nicer speaker and the rears look the front speakers on the 6 speaker system. 25w 4 ohm (I assume 25w RMS) from Vietnam, the construction was fine, the magnets were unimpressive. The Morel speakers have significantly more weight to the magnets and the construction appears to be a bit better, they are also rated for 50w and 45w RMS respectively. The factory fronts appear to be a 2 way and the factory rears appear to be just midrange only.

 

[mpeugeot]

I have another thread going where a member posted pics of the front, kick, and rear pod speakers. Only ones not posted were the center channel and the subwoofer. Coax in the front, mid-range in the kick and rear pods or at least that's how it appears to me.

Let us know how you like the Morel speakers.

Given the price point and that my only comparison is that of the stock B&O "premium audio" speakers in the Bronco, I have to say this...

It is night and day different and I only replaced 4 of the speakers. I can actually hear the rear speakers now, massive improvement there. I don't find myself fiddling with the 3 band EQ, because honestly, it actually sounds correct with the EQ flat.

Test tracks included some AC/DC, Hollywood Undead, RATM, Talking Heads, and the Dead Milkmen. It all sounded so much better... Light years better.

Now while I don't feel like I wasted a penny on these speakers, I am also willing to bet that someone makes speakers that are every bit as good for probably 1/2 the price (The 4 speakers were a total of $180 delivered) - but I wouldn't know where to start with selecting the best price/performance on the market. I am rather happy with the results.

 

[Scsoren]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know or have a rough estimate on how much the B&O system would cost if it were to be added as an audio system?

 

[Wolfeman]

Given the price point and that my only comparison is that of the stock B&O "premium audio" speakers in the Bronco, I have to say this...

It is night and day different and I only replaced 4 of the speakers. I can actually hear the rear speakers now, massive improvement there. I don't find myself fiddling with the 3 band EQ, because honestly, it actually sounds correct with the EQ flat.

Test tracks included some AC/DC, Hollywood Undead, RATM, Talking Heads, and the Dead Milkmen. It all sounded so much better... Light years better.

Now while I don't feel like I wasted a penny on these speakers, I am also willing to bet that someone makes speakers that are every bit as good for probably 1/2 the price (The 4 speakers were a total of $180 delivered) - but I wouldn't know where to start with selecting the best price/performance on the market. I am rather happy with the results.

Looks like the rear speakers and kick panel speakers on all of the systems, B&O included, are all just mid-range speakers with no tweeter. I've seen people upgrade the kicks and rears to co-axials but I wonder if the signal sent through those speaker wires even warrants having a tweeter at all. Is there a way to measure what signals are being presented to a speaker? Just wondering what processing might occur before making its way to the speakers.

 

[OldSchoolHood]

Given the price point and that my only comparison is that of the stock B&O "premium audio" speakers in the Bronco, I have to say this...

It is night and day different and I only replaced 4 of the speakers. I can actually hear the rear speakers now, massive improvement there. I don't find myself fiddling with the 3 band EQ, because honestly, it actually sounds correct with the EQ flat.

Test tracks included some AC/DC, Hollywood Undead, RATM, Talking Heads, and the Dead Milkmen. It all sounded so much better... Light years better.

Now while I don't feel like I wasted a penny on these speakers, I am also willing to bet that someone makes speakers that are every bit as good for probably 1/2 the price (The 4 speakers were a total of $180 delivered) - but I wouldn't know where to start with selecting the best price/performance on the market. I am rather happy with the results.

another subject

OldSchoolHood said:
quick question for anyone who may know.
My Bronco was shipped and dealer gave me car # CSX its coming from Detroit to So California.
I tracked it to Chicago.
Now it looks like it it being transferred to another train/Union Pacific to make the cross country trek?
Will there be a different car # now does anyone know?
Thanks
Bob

 

[mpeugeot]

Looks like the rear speakers and kick panel speakers on all of the systems, B&O included, are all just mid-range speakers with no tweeter. I've seen people upgrade the kicks and rears to co-axials but I wonder if the signal sent through those speaker wires even warrants having a tweeter at all. Is there a way to measure what signals are being presented to a speaker? Just wondering what processing might occur before making its way to the speakers.

While I didn't take a signal analyzer to it, just based on my ears and isolating the rear channels, my ears say definitely. There is way more volume, range, and clarity with the new speakers. However, it's possible that some of the signal is being clipped or attenuated.

 

[JAC]

another subject

OldSchoolHood said:
quick question for anyone who may know.
My Bronco was shipped and dealer gave me car # CSX its coming from Detroit to So California.
I tracked it to Chicago.
Now it looks like it it being transferred to another train/Union Pacific to make the cross country trek?
Will there be a different car # now does anyone know?
Thanks
Bob

Bob,

Even with your rail car being picked up on UP's rail line, You can still track through CSX and the tracking system. CSX will follow to the customer drop location (rail yard). It might take a day or so to really start updating.... if needed PM me and I can assist. I know it works as mine was transferred to BNSF and I was able to track to my location. Cheers.

 

[mpeugeot]

An update, so this weekend took a trip with the GF in her Honda CR-V EX-L with its 8 speaker 180w unbranded (and clearly not premium system) and despite the new speakers, I immediately noticed that her 8 speaker system still sounded better than the "premium" B&O system my Bronco (only marginally better now, but still better).

So, I also went back to look at the "10" speakers, in order to figure out how where the other "6" speakers were that still needed to be replaced. I obviously don't do math the same way Ford does, apparently, a coax speaker counts as 2 speakers. Sure Ford, let's count a 2-way speaker as 2 separate speakers (as if they were on different circuits). Ya, no.

So although I replaced 4 units (two 2-way up front and two mid-range speakers in the rear pods), using Ford math, I replaced 6 speakers with 8 speakers. So my 12 speaker B&O system is still under-performing an 8 speaker 180 watt mid-level Honda factory system. Sad, Ford, sad.

The next upgrade I expect to take the B&O to a step above the mid-level unbranded Honda system. The next step is a set of Morel Maximo Ultra Coax 602 MKII 6.5" speakers. I guess that if I continue to use Ford math, I can now call it a 14 speaker B&O system... LOL. I also have to upgrade the center 4" speaker and sub-woofer as well.

 

[mpeugeot]

While I didn't take a signal analyzer to it, just based on my ears and isolating the rear channels, my ears say definitely. There is way more volume, range, and clarity with the new speakers. However, it's possible that some of the signal is being clipped or attenuated.

So I did a frequency sweep test from 20-200 Hz, the rear pods had signal from approximately 150 Hz and above on the B&O system.

 

[Draughon]

That JBL sound bar sounds better and better doesn’t it.

Only problem is that soundbar kills 95% of your rear view...

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