Badlands Bronco Thread

[MVP]

Did some photo analysis, and here is what I came up with for relative dimensions No Sasquatch Badlands vs Sasquatch Wildtrack:

So they are getting 1/2" of extra lift somewhere (which is similar to my previous tire and spec height analysis).

EDIT: a link to my estimates calculated off of specs: https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/badlands-thread.1943/post-64225

That coincides with the preliminary specs. It says the Wildtrak is 1.4” taller than the badlands. That could be 1” from the tires or a little over an inch from the bigger tires.

There may not be a lift on the Wildtrak after all. Or there could be like a 1/2” lift/spacer.

They have said that the Sasquatch will limit suspension travel. If they put a leveling coilover spacer kit all the way around that would bring the travel numbers down.

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[striker79]

This is the first I’ve seen this claim anywhere. Where did you come by this info?

I honestly cant remember exactly where i read that but i think it was during the initial release info dump but that's why i asked. Guess we will have to wait because i want that disconnect but not at the expense of the 35's

 

[Richtor]

This is the first I’ve seen this claim anywhere. Where did you come by this info?

That’s not correct. Badlands with 7sp is no Sasquatch.
Badlands and 10sp with Sasquatch in 2.3 or 2.7.

I honestly cant remember exactly where i read that but i think it was during the initial release info dump but that's why i asked. Guess we will have to wait because i want that disconnect but not at the expense of the 35's

 

[MVP]

Hello. I reserved a BD this past weekend. After considering the specifications more I have a few questions I am hopeful someone out there can answer.

First a little background. I currently own a Subaru Outback. It has been a great vehicle and will mostly do what I need. However, there have been a few situations where the ground clearance wasn't sufficient, the water was a bit too high, and the ruts a bit too much for the Subaru. I have considered trading for a Jeep for years...but held back for a variety of reasons. Most of them involved the wandering steering feel and I am hopeful the Bronco with its IFS will be much better.

I want the interior that is more easily washed and like the features found in the BD model. There are a couple of things found on the Badlands that I need help understanding what the significance of that feature is so I can better decide if the Badlands is worth purchasing over the BD. My questions are:
1. How important is the locking front differential? My Subaru is devoid of any manual control over these devices so I have limited experience in what actual, real world benefit it provides. Assuming I cannot add this feature ala-cart, is this something that could be added aftermarket?
2. What is the real world difference between the M190 front axle found in the BD and the M210 front axle found in the Badlands? In what situations would the M190 be a liability?
3. What is the practical difference between a 4.46 final drive and a 4.70 final drive?

I know all of these features can be added with the Squatch package, but I do not think I need the 35's. I also know the Badlands comes with upgraded shocks (could be upgraded later if necessary) and a front stabilizer bar disconnect (don't really need) and 33" tires (also could upgrade later). Beyond these and the features mentioned above, is there any other benefit to the Badlands over the Black Diamond?

1. Locking front and rear diffs will make the vehicle true 4wd. If it was completely open diff and you put it in 4wd you would only have 2 wheels driving the vehicle. One in front and one in back.

Lockers will send power to both wheels on either side of the axle.

take the ruts for example. You are trying to get over a big rut. Your rear wheels are in amuddy ditch and have lost traction. You are at an angle so your passenger side wheelis spinning in the air with no power being sent to the driver side front wheel that is on the ground at the top of the rut.

with a front locker you can hit the button and have power sent to both wheels so that your driver side wheel can pull you out of the rut.

Front and rear lockers come standard on the badlands package even without Sasquatch.

You can put lockers in aftermarket but it’s going to be so much easier and cleaner to have it come stock. If you want to take it off-road get the lockers. You are never gonna wish you just had rear lockers or none at all.

2. I’m not well versed on axles but from what I gather the better axle will be what you want if you want to upgrade tires to 35” or 37”. Plus if you are going off-road and doing high speed whoops or rock crawling the stronger your axle the better your day will go.

again you are never going to regret getting a stronger axle.

3. when putting on larger tires you change your gearing ratio. The larger your tire the higher your final gearing should be.

The 4.7 would be best for the 35’s but I wouldnt sweat it if you got the 4.46.


You have found the limitations of your Subaru. If you can afford it get the best setup you can if you want to go off-road.

I currently go off road in my 2wd Colorado with rear auto-lockers. I go to all of the places they are testing the Bronco at. Johnson Valley, Ocotillo Wells etc... You can definitely do a lot without lockers or even 4wd but will you regret not getting it stock. I think so. If you are going off-road.

if this is a street vehicle who cares. Otherwise get the additions. You will never regret having a complete set of lockers.

 

[MVP]

That’s not correct. Badlands with 7sp is no Sasquatch.
Badlands and 10sp with Sasquatch in 2.3 or 2.7.

What? The guy had claimed you can’t get the disconnect with the Sasquatch package on Badlands.

which I had never heard and I believe is incorrect.

 

[Richtor]

What? The guy had claimed you can’t get the disconnect with the Sasquatch package on Badlands.

which I had never heard and I believe is incorrect.

He said the you can’t get disconnect with Sasquatch.
I said that’s incorrect.
The badlands with disconnect is available with Sasquatch package in the 2.3 or 2.7 power plants.
The badlands with disconnect and 7sp is not available currently with Sasquatch.

 

[Deleted member]

@MVP, thank you for the very detailed reply. I really appreciate the information.

My dilemma is the 6K difference in price between the BD and the Badlands. The part time 4wd system is sufficient, I don't need the front stabilizer bar disconnect, and I'm uncertain if I could discern the differences between the suspension systems.. The leaves the 32" tires vs. the 33" tires, the upgraded front axle, and the front locker as the only upgrades that I would really use and benefit from. The extra clearance from the tires is always helpful and I know I would use the front locker. But 6K for just these things is a LOT of money.

Ideally, I would like to add just the front locker (even if I have upgrade the front axle too) as an ala-cart option. I'm just not sure Ford is going to make this available in this manner.

 

[MVP]

@MVP, thank you for the very detailed reply. I really appreciate the information.

My dilemma is the 6K difference in price between the BD and the Badlands. The part time 4wd system is sufficient, I don't need the front stabilizer bar disconnect, and I'm uncertain if I could discern the differences between the suspension systems.. The leaves the 32" tires vs. the 33" tires, the upgraded front axle, and the front locker as the only upgrades that I would really use and benefit from. The extra clearance from the tires is always helpful and I know I would use the front locker. But 6K for just these things is a LOT of money.

Ideally, I would like to add just the front locker (even if I have upgrade the front axle too) as an ala-cart option. I'm just not sure Ford is going to make this available in this manner.

I’m not sure what kind of shocks the Bronco will have stock but the upgraded shocks are said to be pretty badass by Sean Holman from Motortrend.

the upgraded shocks are going to have extra travel. So you can soak up more bumps and flex more. The Badlands on 33’s will have the most articulation of all of the models. They are going to be piggyback shocks with a remote reservoir. That means the oil will be displaced into the other reservoir instead of staying in the same shaft. That means your shocks will work harder for longer without fatiguing. Meaning you can hit higher speeds longer with bumps and have a comfortable ride.

I know what you are saying but that $6k difference will probably be a lot more aftermarket if you wanted the same things. You also have to figure in labor on installing the parts is going to cost a couple grand

here are some Jeep parts to compare. An ARB air locker which also needs an onboard air compressor to be installed unlike the stock electronic locker. And some complete axle swaps with lockers.

All that being said if it’s out of your budget, it’s out of the budget. You will get by fine without front lockers or the stronger axle. But if you are thinking about trying to find the way to add stuff later I really suggest doing it when you buy it. Buy once, cry once. how much is the difference per month on that loan gonna be with $6k?

You also run into the problem with the aftermarket upgrades of shops doing a shitty install job. Shops doing shitty wiring. Unless you do it yourself I always worry about shops messing up my truck.

Like I said I have a 2wd work truck. This time I learned my lesson. It’s hard to add everything aftermarket. I did add tow hooks myself, Method Wheels and AT tires, off-road lights and aftermarket radio with Apple CarPlay and a DVD player all for significantly less than OEM. Lockers, axles, electronic seats, telescoping steering wheel, etc... are all going to be a bit of a headache.

 

[Spooled]

Something to also consider is that the factory front diffs with the locker are cast iron housing. All open front diff housings are aluminum (weaker)

 

[Orbiter]

I know what you are saying but that $6k difference will probably be a lot more aftermarket if you wanted the same things. You also have to figure in labor on installing the parts is going to cost a couple grand

I am trying to stick with BD and not blow $55K+ on a tricked out Badlands but you're making this very difficult!

 

[Richtor]

I am trying to stick with BD and not blow $55K+ on a tricked out Badlands but you're making this very difficult!

I almost purchase a 20 JL Rubicon 2dr at $52k....ordered a $55k Tremor instead.

 

[MVP]

I am trying to stick with BD and not blow $55K+ on a tricked out Badlands but you're making this very difficult!

Hahaha I feel you. I have always ridden Dual Sport bikes off-road. I had a Mustang before my truck so I never had an automobile capable of going off-road before. I wasn’t sure how often I would drive my truck off-road or if I could get by without 4x4 and lockers and stuff. I do pretty damn good with 2wd but I know my limits.

if I was coming into this purchase knowing I would go off-road then the badlands would be the only choice for me. I knew right away. Sway bar disconnect, lockers, suspension, AT tires(hopefully BFG KO2). No doubts at all this is the spec to get.

I have KO2’s on my truck. Those alone were nearly $1000 and that was with buy 3 get 1 free. I was set on upgrading to King’s reservoir shocks front and back and Camburg Lower Control Arms to fix the angle for the lift. That package was going to cost $4000 before labor.

 

[Streetfish]

@MVP, thank you for the very detailed reply. I really appreciate the information.

My dilemma is the 6K difference in price between the BD and the Badlands. The part time 4wd system is sufficient, I don't need the front stabilizer bar disconnect, and I'm uncertain if I could discern the differences between the suspension systems.. The leaves the 32" tires vs. the 33" tires, the upgraded front axle, and the front locker as the only upgrades that I would really use and benefit from. The extra clearance from the tires is always helpful and I know I would use the front locker. But 6K for just these things is a LOT of money.

Ideally, I would like to add just the front locker (even if I have upgrade the front axle too) as an ala-cart option. I'm just not sure Ford is going to make this available in this manner.

I don't know what sort of offroading you are planning on doing but only having a rear locker without the front should be fine for most people. You can't even get a rear locker on most Wrangler trims, let alone a front. Many other off-road vehicles only offer rear lockers like the FJ cruiser, off-road trims on pickups, etc. If budget is a major concern for you don't let front locker be the deciding factor unless you are doing some serious rock crawling and you know you need it

 

[MVP]

I don't know what sort of offroading you are planning on doing but only having a rear locker without the front should be fine for most people. You can't even get a rear locker on most Wrangler trims, let alone a front. Many other off-road vehicles only offer rear lockers like the FJ cruiser, off-road trims on pickups, etc. If budget is a major concern for you don't let front locker be the deciding factor unless you are doing some serious rock crawling and you know you need it

That’s true. If you aren’t going to do it aftermarket it’s not a big deal.

With the rear locker and 4wd engaged you will have three tires to pull you out which will work in 99.9% of situations.

 

[LarryZiegler]

Dude, w/the lightbars they sell nowadays you will never worry about fog lights again!!!

I’d assume none of those light bars are legal for use on the street

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