First SVT, now SRT.

[FourHorses]

Tell me about them, from your perspective. What makes it worth looking at, I'm curious, never paid attention to the Focus prior to the last(current?) gen

2002 SVT Focus
2003 SVT Focus

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[TNcoupe]

Tell me about them, from your perspective. What makes it worth looking at, I'm curious, never paid attention to the Focus prior to the last(current?) gen

For me its just nostalgia of a high revving naturally aspirated 2dr lightweight hot hatch. I have no kids and don't haul anything, I DESPISE 4dr cars. I had a 2016 ST and just hated the fact that it had 2 useless door on the back. My 2002 had H&R springs with BAT struts and shocks and the thing would change direction like a roller skate. The only thing that car needed from factory was a mechanical LSD cause it would one wheel peel on corner exit badly.

The reason I have a Veloster N now is because it has 3 doors and thats as close as I can get to a 2dr in the US.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

For me its just nostalgia of a high revving naturally aspirated 2dr lightweight hot hatch. I have no kids and don't haul anything, I DESPISE 4dr cars. I had a 2016 ST and just hated the fact that it had 2 useless door on the back. My 2002 had H&R springs with BAT struts and shocks and the thing would change direction like a roller skate. The only thing that car needed from factory was a mechanical LSD cause it would one wheel peel on corner exit badly.

The reason I have a Veloster N now is because it has 3 doors and thats as close as I can get to a 2dr in the US.

Shame they don't make 2dr's and gotcha, basically the natural counter to the 1.8t, just like the FoST was to the mk6

How ya like the N?

2002 SVT Focus
2003 SVT Focus

If my friend weren't afraid of miles and old cars without warranties, I'd point him towards it, as he's a Domestic only guy

 

[TNcoupe]

Shame they don't make 2dr's and gotcha, basically the natural counter to the 1.8t, just like the FoST was to the mk6

How ya like the N?



If my friend weren't afraid of miles and old cars without warranties, I'd point him towards it, as he's a Domestic only guy

The N is probably the best hot hatch I've ever driven. It changes direction better than the FoST and the eLSD is amazing. The engine has a way better linear powerband than the 2.0 Ecoboost. The N pulls all the way to redline whereas the FoST falls on its face around 5500rpms.The FoST is prolly faster off the line because of low end torque of the Ecoboost but its also easier to blow the tires off on corner exit.

 

[FourHorses]

If my friend weren't afraid of miles and old cars without warranties, I'd point him towards it, as he's a Domestic only guy

It's on my punch list, I just have a storage problem...lol

 

[DryYourTears]

Right? /s

So glad EV's are good for the environment as well

Regardless of anyone's feelings on electric vehicles, I have to point out that the "mine" picture is actually a copper mine and not a lithium mine (I think in South America if I remember correctly) and that is definitely not an oil sands site. You can look up photos of oil sands sites online, but "oil sand" is not anything pumpable. It's actually mined similar to the first photo, and then they have to use steam to separate it from the sands, then go through a few steps to purify it. It's actually really a garbage product that uses a ton of energy, and at current prices it's not even profitable. I think we'd have to get back to $80-odd dollars a barrel.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

The N is probably the best hot hatch I've ever driven. It changes direction better than the FoST and the eLSD is amazing. The engine has a way better linear powerband than the 2.0 Ecoboost. The N pulls all the way to redline whereas the FoST falls on its face around 5500rpms.The FoST is prolly faster off the line because of low end torque of the Ecoboost but its also easier to blow the tires off on corner exit.

I should forward this entire thread to him

It's on my punch list, I just have a storage problem...lol

I got a ton of cars to add, it's just I'm a goddamn spendthrift who always has something coming up when I do try and save

Regardless of anyone's feelings on electric vehicles, I have to point out that the "mine" picture is actually a copper mine and not a lithium mine (I think in South America if I remember correctly) and that is definitely not an oil sands site. You can look up photos of oil sands sites online, but "oil sand" is not anything pumpable. It's actually mined similar to the first photo, and then they have to use steam to separate it from the sands, then go through a few steps to purify it. It's actually really a garbage product that uses a ton of energy, and at current prices it's not even profitable. I think we'd have to get back to $80-odd dollar a barrel.

Still the same idea though, even if it wasn't the actual ones. Eventually, the Govt is gonna offset the loss of revenue from gasoline by jacking up the electric rates, so either way they'll get you.

I'll find a proper pic later, when it slows down again here

 

[jaspercasidino]

The N is probably the best hot hatch I've ever driven. It changes direction better than the FoST and the eLSD is amazing. The engine has a way better linear powerband than the 2.0 Ecoboost. The N pulls all the way to redline whereas the FoST falls on its face around 5500rpms.The FoST is prolly faster off the line because of low end torque of the Ecoboost but its also easier to blow the tires off on corner exit.

Have you driven the RS? I had one and it was great, but traded it in for a F80 M3 and never looked back. I liked the RS, but I didn't love it. I guess hot hatches don't do it for me stylewise.

 

[DryYourTears]

Still the same idea though, even if it wasn't the actual ones. Eventually, the Govt is gonna offset the loss of revenue from gasoline by jacking up the electric rates, so either way they'll get you.

I'll find a proper pic later, when it slows down again here

I think the bigger issue is going to be the loss of tax revenue for roads from declining gasoline sales, so we'll end up paying a mileage-based tax. That would also make sure that even people who have their own home solar panels for charging get to pay in. I guess that's sort of a win as far as keeping it "fair", but it's not like current gas taxes are actually covering what they need to, anymore. This is why so many roads are just terrible, but I guess you can get a Bronco and ignore the potholes in the meantime.

 

[TNcoupe]

Have you driven the RS? I had one and it was great, but traded it in for a F80 M3 and never looked back. I liked the RS, but I didn't love it. I guess hot hatches don't do it for me stylewise.

No, too many problems with the 2.3 head gasket issue and diffs overheating on track and curvy mountain roads. Plus the front bumper

 

[Laminar]

Regardless of anyone's feelings on electric vehicles, I have to point out that the "mine" picture is actually a copper mine and not a lithium mine (I think in South America if I remember correctly) and that is definitely not an oil sands site.

Yeah I tried to ignore this at first but you dragged me into it. Everyone who's worked at an actual oil sands site raise your hand. <- me.

Now everyone who's ever re-shared a stupid meme from Facebook specifically designed to misrepresent facts and obfuscate reality raise your hand (you know who you are).

Surface bitumen is extracted through strip mining.

The effects on the environment are not negligible.

And you're trying to compare extraction of an energy source to extraction of a component used in energy storage. It's not the same thing and again, trying to do that is purposefully muddying the waters, so to speak.

Bitumen is extracted, processed, and eventually turned into petroleum products, including fuel. Once that fuel is burned, it's gone forever.

A typical electric car battery contains 22lbs of lithium. After the battery is "spent," 60-90% of the lithium is recovered, and recycling methods are improving every year.

The Model 3's battery is good for 1500 cycles, which translates to 300,000+ miles. We don't really know yet, we don't have a good sample of real long-term battery life.

So stop sharing stupid shit from Facebook that's categorically false, purposely misleading, and purports to "own" some person or viewpoint - odds are it's untrue and was created in bad faith to prevent any useful discourse from occurring.

There are plenty of valid arguments for and against electrification of cars, but those can't happen when people see some dumb image macro from social media that reinforced their preconceived biases and then just spread it without the tiniest modicum of research or independent thought.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

I think the bigger issue is going to be the loss of tax revenue for roads from declining gasoline sales, so we'll end up paying a mileage-based tax. That would also make sure that even people who have their own home solar panels for charging get to pay in. I guess that's sort of a win as far as keeping it "fair", but it's not like current gas taxes are actually covering what they need to, anymore. This is why so many roads are just terrible, but I guess you can get a Bronco and ignore the potholes in the meantime.

Potholes? Forget what those are, got a Rebel

 

[FourHorses]

Yeah I tried to ignore this at first but you dragged me into it. Everyone who's worked at an actual oil sands site raise your hand. <- me.

Now everyone who's ever re-shared a stupid meme from Facebook specifically designed to misrepresent facts and obfuscate reality raise your hand (you know who you are).

Surface bitumen is extracted through strip mining.

The effects on the environment are not negligible.

And you're trying to compare extraction of an energy source to extraction of a component used in energy storage. It's not the same thing and again, trying to do that is purposefully muddying the waters, so to speak.

Bitumen is extracted, processed, and eventually turned into petroleum products, including fuel. Once that fuel is burned, it's gone forever.

A typical electric car battery contains 22lbs of lithium. After the battery is "spent," 60-90% of the lithium is recovered, and recycling methods are improving every year.

The Model 3's battery is good for 1500 cycles, which translates to 300,000+ miles. We don't really know yet, we don't have a good sample of real long-term battery life.

So stop sharing stupid shit from Facebook that's categorically false, purposely misleading, and purports to "own" some person or viewpoint - odds are it's untrue and was created in bad faith to prevent any useful discourse from occurring.

There are plenty of valid arguments for and against electrification of cars, but those can't happen when people see some dumb image macro from social media that reinforced their preconceived biases and then just spread it without the tiniest modicum of research or independent thought.

Thank you for the first hand knowledge.

 

[jaspercasidino]

No, too many problems with the 2.3 head gasket issue and diffs overheating on track and curvy mountain roads. Plus the front bumper

2.3L wasn't an issue on mine. It had the correct head gasket installed but it was all checked out and fixed under the "customer satisfaction" program (and not labeled a recall) including the head bolts. I'm unaware of any overheating issue with the diffs and the cars at the RS Adrenaline Academy did just fine in July in Utah. And the RS bumper is superior to the ST!

Mine was a 2017 and had the auto start/stop button which the 2016s didn't have and was completely worry free. Upgraded intercooler, wastegate, exhaust and tune and was pretty fun to drive. Just looked like a Focus at the end of the day...

 

[FourHorses]

Just looked like a Focus at the end of the day...

That right there is why I never bought one... 40k+ Focus, couldn't do it. I always thought they'd been better off calling it the Ford RS, and making minor cosmetic changes so that it wouldn't be called a Focus.

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