New article with a spin on the hardtop I hadn't heard

[Seatmandan]

I am strongly of the opinion that the Germans who made the prototypes saw the flaws in the drawings and made them right anyways, and management ignored their worries about the tops as designed.

Huh??!? Sorry, not how it works LOL

EDIT: "drawings"?? uh... no. CAD is the master data.

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[r21free]

The tooling was made in China. The tops are made in Michigan USA.

Does ot matter if it's made in america. .if the tooling is made in china...

 

[Yodi]

Whatintha Sam hell is a swamp donkey???

Go into a swamp with a donkey and see!

 

[Username_not_found]

I'm convinced none of you all have worked in a manufacturing environment before. Made in USA does not mean it's any better from a quality standpoint than Made in China does. I've seen plenty of terrible US factories pumping out crap just as I've seen plenty top of the line Chinese production lines. It's a matter of how much the company (in this case Ford) is willing to pay for materials, equipment, and skilled labor and how much time and resources they're willing to put into thorough design, qualification, and manufacturing quality. If the tops are bad, it's not because the tooling came from China, it's because Ford designed them bad and was willing to settle for the quality level received from their suppliers at the price point given.

 

[MacDonald_Photo]

Huh??!? Sorry, not how it works LOL

EDIT: "drawings"?? uh... no. CAD is the master data.

JESUS!!

Are you sure? CAD=Master?
There is no GD&T on a CAD model so PRINT is Master.
You can measure to CAD but how do you know if it is in spec?
Print.

So glad I left the world of manufacturing and specifically quality control.

 

[Skeech]

That's not inherently true across the board. Many of my customers have brought tooling back to NA for new product launches, including one of my tooling divisions, has been hammering out new steel for OEMs in record numbers. This goes for many automotive manufacturers. China steel isn't as cheap as it once was, and the value proposition for going overseas is diminishing with increased logistics and manufacturing costs...

Things take a long-time to reach the consumer but in the supply chain there are many changes happening. So yes, I do "still believe in this fantasy" because I'm watching this trend pick-up speed right before my eyes. Hard to agree with you on that front.

Thanks for a very respectful response! That is nice to see around here. We all just want our Broncos.

 

[Seatmandan]

JESUS!!

Are you sure? CAD=Master?
There is no GD&T on a CAD model so PRINT is Master.
You can measure to CAD but how do you know if it is in spec?
Print.

So glad I left the world of manufacturing and specifically quality control.

I'm a Product Engineering Designer on Interior/Exterior for an OEM. Our CAD is the master. The drawings are for release & tracking purposes. We do include GD&T on the drawings for manufacturing/release purposes, but CAD is still the master. Tool steel is cut from the CAD data, not the drawing.

 

[Carolina Jim]

If the tops are bad...it's because Ford designed them bad and was willing to settle for the quality level received from their suppliers at the price point given.

Politicians are always coached to 'own the mistake'...apologize, and move on. But many take Ford's approach...which is to pretend they mysteriously got this top at last year's Secret Santa gift exchange, and they have no idea what'tha F is wrong.

 

[MacDonald_Photo]

I'm a Product Engineering Designer on Interior/Exterior for an OEM. Our CAD is the master. The drawings are for release & tracking purposes. We do include GD&T on the drawings for manufacturing/release purposes, but CAD is still the master. Tool steel is cut from the CAD data, not the drawing.

Right..But inspection and final product is measured to print values.

PRINT should MATCH CAD but in my experiences I was often upstairs in engineering showing them where their print didn't match CAD LOL!!

 

[De Brus]

honestly I'm not really surprised. They knew over 18 months ago that they didnt have what was necessary to meet their standards and continued anyways, now we are where we are. SURELY this had to have been known as an inevitable crisis but they continued anyways.

Wait, which is it? "they knew" or "this had to have been known"?

 

[Seatmandan]

Right..But inspection and final product is measured to print values.

PRINT should MATCH CAD but in my experiences I was often upstairs in engineering showing them where their print didn't match CAD LOL!!

that’s all fine and dandy, but what you’re describing is not CAD the master. the 3D CAD geometry IS drawn to the absolute detail, multi-million dollar tools are cut from THAT data, and Drawings are created from the master CAD that is detailed, of which details are drawn from the CAD. All the drawing is is to CHECK the parts against, it’s NOT the master data. CAD is. the images on the drawing are created from the master CAD, and update accordingly as the master CAD is changed

These days, Drawings always match CAD because it’s all linked parametrically.

 

[AZshot]

Allowing every American to own a home, car, iphone, computer, gaming system, latest kitchen appliances, and all was at the expense of millions of American jobs. We moved our manufacturing, almost all of it, first to Japan, then Korea and Singapore and Thailand, and in the last 20 years, To China. In 1930 or 1950 or 1970 Americans didn't live so luxuriously on minimum wage or slightly higher as we do today.

Look at this old Popular Science from 100 years ago. Peruse the ads, recognize the company names now long gone. Find other US companies you never knew of. Now think about every one of those companies was giving an American a job, forming the 20th century Middle Class. Building communities, towns, sports teams. All American companies, all hiring and selling to Americans. All the profits went to an American company, many of whom built company stores, parks, libraries. All that is over. Today we have our very likely enemy of the final war getting all the profits, and boosting their own populace' standard of living, that 25 years ago was picking rice, into the information age. At OUR expense, so everyone could buy a $20 pair of jeans, a $11 tool at Harbor Freight, a $350 big screen TV.

https://books.google.com/books?id=7NRYAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA6-PA122&lpg=RA6-PA122#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Bronc-O]

Allowing every American to own a home, car, iphone, computer, gaming system, latest kitchen appliances, and all was at the expense of millions of American jobs. We moved our manufacturing, almost all of it, first to Japan, then Korea and Singapore and Thailand, and in the last 20 years, To China. In 1930 or 1950 or 1970 Americans didn't live so luxuriously on minimum wage or slightly higher as we do today.

In 1966, I was 16 and making $1.35 an hour. I was driving one of these. My 1st car.

 

[mpeugeot]

In 1966, I was 16 and making $1.35 an hour. I was driving one of these. My 1st car.

Well, I am pretty sure that you weren't paying $5.00 a gallon for gas.

 

[Carolina Jim]

My 1st car.

2 years older & started in a 1959 Ford Fairlane. I seem to recall there were no cupholders & the most important feature - especially on Friday nights - was the front bench seat.

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