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[SierraBronco]

Installed, I’m basically a SxS now lol

I didn’t know you had a wide track. Respect.

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[87-Z28]

I guess that does make sense to think of the motion as opposed to the suspension... Thank you Andy... That helped me. For some reason I seemed locked in on "Suspension"

You scared me for a minute. I started thinking I had to get my tattoo removed… Nope. It’s a keeper.

 

[popo_patty]

I didn’t know you had a wide track. Respect.

Girthy track

 

[BAUS67]

Not arguing this definition just trying to understand it.... I am not quite grasping the nuance. I must be slow or something... wait.... do not answer that....

How exactly is a coil over not an integral part of the suspension.... When I remove them nothing seems suspended.... I understand if the coil and the shock are separate... remove the shock and the vehicle is still "suspended"... Remove the coil however.... You are not going anywhere with a shock bottomed out and no spring.... I guess it is just the spring part I am struggling with... The strut is the same issue... remove the strut and nothing is suspended.... Now I do not think you are going to replace just the coil on a strut... It seems to be more of an all or nothing. Maybe I am wrong. Does anybody replace just the shock or just the coil on a strut?

It seems maybe that a coil over shock I can replace either the coil or the shock and it will work (to varying degrees of success... but a strut I have to replace the whole thing it seems to built as one piece. There is probably something I am not seeing here.

Sorry I logged off last night and didn't see your reply. Sometimes pictures do better than words.........

As you can see the strut also acts as the UCA, there is only the LCA. It is integral to the suspension. Take it away and everything falls apart.

As you can see here there is a UCA and an LCA. The coilover only controls the suspension. It is not an integral part. Take the coilover away and everything just sags down, it is still all connected together.

Now this would be your average UCA, LCA suspension. This example is a 69 Camaro. As you can see this has a separate coil spring and shock absorber. Easily replaced with a coilover.


I should have posted it this way but chose the "short route". I see you got an answer from @87-Z28 Z, which was a very good reply, but just wanted to chime in as well so you didn't think I was ignoring you.


Sorry I'm no engineer but I can redneck my way through about anything, just don't know all the technological jargon. That's were @87-Z28 comes in.

 

[SierraBronco]

Sorry I logged off last night and didn't see your reply. Sometimes pictures do better than words.........

As you can see the strut also acts as the UCA, there is only the LCA. It is integral to the suspension. Take it away and everything falls apart.

As you can see here there is a UCA and an LCA. The coilover only controls the suspension. It is not an integral part. Take the coilover away and everything just sags down, it is still all connected together.

Now this would be your average UCA, LCA suspension. This example is a 69 Camaro. As you can see this has a separate coil spring and shock absorber. Easily replaced with a coilover.


I should have posted it this way but chose the "short route". I see you got an answer from @87-Z28 Z, which was a very good reply, but just wanted to chime in as well so you didn't think I was ignoring you.


Sorry I'm no engineer but I can redneck my way through about anything, just don't know all the technological jargon. That's were @87-Z28 comes in.

And then there is ORI that refers to their product as a strut…which…technically

 

[BAUS67]

And then there is ORI that refers to their product as a strut…which…technically

Yeah, I know, to me they are just ORI's because they are different than anything out there.

 

[crenca]

Strut is an integral part of the suspension.

Coilover controls the suspension

Coilover only acts to apply forces that “control” kinematics.

This is not the case for a macpherson strut suspension, which has the coilover/strut directly integral to the wheel kinematic motion.

As you can see the strut also acts as the UCA, there is only the LCA. It is integral to the suspension. Take it away and everything falls apart

As you can see here there is a UCA and an LCA. The coilover only controls the suspension. It is not an integral part.

As I understand it a strut is a coilover that also locates the hub (and thus the wheel/tire) in space relative to the rest of the vehicle.

In other words it is a coilover that also has the job of a link or control arm...

So on the Bronco it is a coilover technically, and not a strut. Remove the coilover on a Bronco and the hub is still located within its normal range of motion, even though that motion would not be controlled. Remove a strut from a vehicle whose suspension depends on it and then the hub is no longer located normally.

 

[87-Z28]

This example is a 69 Camaro

Enough said. We all now know where your heart is.

 

[BAUS67]

Enough said. We all now know where your heart is.

Well, the Camaro pic was closer to the correct "look" I was going for. You have to remember there have been some real winners in this forum in the past. I could see someone not understanding if I posted this.............

...........a Mustang suspension, because it didn't "look" the same as a Bronco.

 

[SierraBronco]

Well, the Camaro pic was closer to the correct "look" I was going for. You have to remember there have been some real winners in this forum in the past. I could see someone not understanding if I posted this.............

...........a Mustang suspension, because it didn't "look" the same as a Bronco.

Waaaaaaaaait a minute

 

[Willub]

Waaaaaaaaait a minute

 

[5GENIDN]

Sorry I logged off last night and didn't see your reply. Sometimes pictures do better than words.........

As you can see the strut also acts as the UCA, there is only the LCA. It is integral to the suspension. Take it away and everything falls apart.

As you can see here there is a UCA and an LCA. The coilover only controls the suspension. It is not an integral part. Take the coilover away and everything just sags down, it is still all connected together.

Now this would be your average UCA, LCA suspension. This example is a 69 Camaro. As you can see this has a separate coil spring and shock absorber. Easily replaced with a coilover.


I should have posted it this way but chose the "short route". I see you got an answer from @87-Z28 Z, which was a very good reply, but just wanted to chime in as well so you didn't think I was ignoring you.


Sorry I'm no engineer but I can redneck my way through about anything, just don't know all the technological jargon. That's were @87-Z28 comes in.

Thank you... that was quite well presented.... as you might have surmised by now, I am decent at reading comprehension but sometimes get off tracked by minutia... I am much better at visual and tactile. For some reason I was stuck on "suspension" as opposed to motion.... Your visuals are well chosen and make the differentiation very clear. again, Thank you.

That was excellently presented.

 

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[telenerd]

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[AccuTune Offroad]

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