F150, Ford, Rachael Maddow Dont get mad, give it a watch [Off-Topic / Political posts will be deleted - Administration]

[vrtical]

we can throw in next gen nuclear reactors if we want to talk about green, but then again there is the recycle arguments.

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[tracythemighty]

Where do people think electric comes from?

 

[Username_not_found]

Rural America is not going to be able to have charging stations every 30 miles or so in the middle of no where. Great for fleets or big city folks but not anywhere else. And it really won't be much greener with battery disposal and Petroleum or coal generating most of the electricity grid.

Just trading one evil for another.

Again though you're focusing on how things are today and not how they can be. The grid will not stay the way it is currently forever and investment is in alternative energies not coal. The proportion of energy sourced from coal will only continue to decrease with time. As for rural charging stations, I'm not sure how it's any different from stating rural America can't support having gas stations dotted across the landscape enough to support ICE vehicles. The infrastructure will develope alongside the adoption of the vehicles. Rural America will be the last hurdle, but at some point the industry will be flipped in favor of supporting electric over ICE and they will manage whatever hurdles get in the way of that.

 

[1975U15]

Good news: "Porsche's Synthetic eFuel Could Make ICE Cars as Clean as EVs" https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp35577611/porsche-synthetic-efuel-clean-emissions-testing/

Shhhhh..... we're not supposed to know this. It may allow for the ICE to survive and it must not. All choices are binary nowadays ya know

 

[Jr87mustang]

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2021/02/09/lithium-mining-and-the-hidden-environmental-costs-of-evs/

Good article about the greeness of Lithium. Sorry to those living in Nevada.

 

[Ripcurl]

How do we all get to Mars in a green manner when the earth is done?

 

[71to21-2DR]

Rural America is not going to be able to have charging stations every 30 miles or so in the middle of no where. Great for fleets or big city folks but not anywhere else. And it really won't be much greener with battery disposal and Petroleum or coal generating most of the electricity grid.

Just trading one evil for another.

Think about all the real estate solar panels and windmills take up compared to oil.
Who wants to look at all that ugly stuff!
I don’t know why everything has to be so black-and-white with each administration!
One is all about oil! One is all about green!

Just a little bit at a time each step forward is all we need.

 

[CO0LHand]

I'm not entirely sold on the idea that electric vehicles are "greener" or "better". The manufacturing process requires a lot of raw materials and processes that aren't "green". How "green" are the power plants? How many more power plants will we need? Anybody think about battery disposal? I'm not sure we're ready for this transformation... Just my 2 cents...

This is true but the issue isn't necessarily "green." It's more that as we continue to dig up carbon that has spent the last several billion years being sequestered and burn it and release it into the atmosphere we are undoing a LOT of natural time spent getting the atmosphere where it is now. Maddow makes an interesting point though. If the functionality is better as an electric vehicle than a gas vehicle that's the tipping point where we don't need to burn nearly as much gas as we have for a LOONG time.

 

[Efthreeoh]

Think about all the real estate solar panels and windmills take up compared to oil.
Who wants to look at all that ugly stuff!
I don’t know why everything has to be so black-and-white with each administration!
One is all about oil! One is all about green!

Just a little bit at a time each step forward is all we need.

All one needs to do is go visit a steel production plant to understand really what electricity is.

 

[vrtical]

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2021/02/09/lithium-mining-and-the-hidden-environmental-costs-of-evs/

Good article about the greeness of Lithium. Sorry to those living in Nevada.

my bet says Lithium will not be the end all to batteries for EVs as alternative are being explored.

 

[Stache12]

You would have to drive and keep your electric car for 7 years before you break even with the carbon footprint created by the process of creating the battery that powers it. And until the grid's electricity has a lot more cleaner sources that power it you are just using non green ways to charge that battery. It's all just feel good nonsense.

 

[Wanted33]

I'm sure this is the way of the auto industry, and that's fine. I just wonder how many electric cars would sell if the Government stopped giving people other peoples money to buy them. Plug in vehicles amount to less than 2% in America, and I'd bet it would be less than 1% if the $7500 from the tax payers wasn't there. IMHO

If all of this green becomes viable it needs to come from the free market. Not the government.

 

[Efthreeoh]

This is true but the issue isn't necessarily "green." It's more that as we continue to dig up carbon that has spent the last several billion years being sequestered and burn it and release it into the atmosphere we are undoing a LOT of natural time spent getting the atmosphere where it is now. Maddow makes an interesting point though. If the functionality is better as an electric vehicle than a gas vehicle that's the tipping point where we don't need to burn nearly as much gas as we have for a LOONG time.

Eh, well most of it gets recycled every time the sun sets.

 

[Jdc]

my bet says Lithium will not be the end all to batteries for EVs as alternative are being explored.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...imes-faster-than-lithium-ion/?sh=8572d236d287

 

[Stache12]

Think about all the real estate solar panels and windmills take up compared to oil.
Who wants to look at all that ugly stuff!
I don’t know why everything has to be so black-and-white with each administration!
One is all about oil! One is all about green!

Just a little bit at a time each step forward is all we need.

not to mention that wind farm blades are not reusable and are just dumped in the landfill where they will sit until the end of time.

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