New California Replacement Tire Standards [⛔️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[HoosierDaddy]

I hope so. I’ve always liked the BFG KO tires and would prefer to stick with them.

according to the CEC rule making documents, the symbol alone isn’t it sufficient to meet its ”winter-type snow tire” or “all-season winter performance tire” exemption. It also has to meet a traction test:

(66) “Winter-type snow tire” means a tire that has all the characteristics of subsections (A), and (B) of this definition. A tire subject to the UTQG standards is not a “winter-type snow tire.”

(A) Attains a traction index equal to or greater than 112, compared to the ASTM F2493-20 standard reference test tire when using the snow traction test on the medium pack snow surface as described in ASTM F1805-20.​

(B) Is equipped with studs or is marked with an Alpine Symbol, specified in the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards at 49 Code of Federal Regulations part 571.139 S5.5(i) (October 1, 2024), on at least one sidewall.​

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EDIT: or an “all-season winter performance tire”:

(4) “All-season winter performance tire” means a tire that is subject to the UTQG standards and

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(A) attains a traction index equal to or greater than 112, compared to the ASTM F2493-20 standard reference test tire when using the snow traction test on the medium pack snow surface as described in ASTM F1805-20; and​

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(B) is marked with an Alpine Symbol, specified in the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards at 49 Code of Federal Regulations part 571.139 S5.5(i (October 1, 2024), on at least one sidewall.​

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EDIT#2: OK, after a little more digging, for a US made tire certified per FMVSS 139, the Alpine Symbol 3PMSF means the tire has a traction index of at least 112. So indeed the KOs are exempt since it has the symbol.

In summary:
You were correct @thesocalexplorer
After a 750 word "word salad" , the 3PMSF is enough to exempt the tire.


The worst part is, tire dork that I am, I knew from the techno lingo they wee referencing the 3PMSF testing standards.

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[CitrusBronco]

The market already sells high mileage and efficiency tires. But Cali does what they do best, make rules and don’t fix any of their actual problems.

 

[Oldhippie]

What actual problem are they not fixing?

 

[orion]

What actual problem are they not fixing?

All of them...

 

[mrjking2000]

if only there was a neighboring state that didn't have silly laws

 

[CitrusBronco]

What actual problem are they not fixing?

I’ve seen your posts, you’re a smart guy. You don’t need me to point out all the crazy problems CA struggles with.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Are you not convinced we need government to protect us

Arizona Shopping List
- Gas powered equipment (Mowers, Blowers, Generators, etc.)
- Insecticides
- Paint
- Ammunition
- Gas Cans
- Tires

Edit-
- Wood burning Fireplaces
- Water Heaters
- Gas Appliances

The idiocy that CARB started on gas cans in California was taken up nationally by the EPA. So they suck no matter where you buy them.

 

[Brian_B]

As goes California goes everyone else, eventually. Unfortunately

 

[Steve_In_29]

What actual problem are they not fixing?

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You live in California and don't see the problems the state has and isn't addressing??
Easy to tell where you fall on the political spectrum.

CA native here, lived well over 40 years of my life there and now a former CA resident.

 

[Icehog]

NY Post is a joke, FAKE NEWS

 

[Icehog]

As goes California goes everyone else, eventually. Unfortunately

Hardly the case

 

[Steve_In_29]

Hardly the case

CA is the reason every state has the shitty gas cans now.

After CARB got the ball rolling the EPA picked it up.

 

[Langwilliams]

After a 750 word "word salad" , the 3PMSF is enough to exempt the tire.

You for got "for now"

when's the last time a California regulation stopped at the initial phase. they will slowly add more and more restrictions. they always do.

Not every state copies Ca or we'd all have their blend of gas. I think about 8 states require it.

 

[Steve_In_29]

NY Post is a joke, FAKE NEWS

You wish.

How about from KTLA5 in SoCal

 

[Steve_In_29]

It's like the pistol roster they have there for state approved guns but for tires. Testing and development will only increase the cost of the tires they do allow the plebes to buy.

Only special CA approved high mileage, OEM type tires will be allowed

I wonder if CA will put up cameras to capture license plate and tire pictures as you exit and use AI to compare upon your return

Or do like they already do for guns where they have CA DOJ agents go to gun stores and gun shows in AZ and NV looking for people driving into parking with CA plates and then follow you around to see if you buy anything not CA legal
Then bust you at the border.

That's NOT conspiracy or "fake news" as the CA DOJ openly admits they actually have a section of agents assigned to do that. One of the busts made the news years ago.

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