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[jcarbs]

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[5GENIDN]

well, on a badlands, sasquatch is a tire and wheel package.

I don't know about that.... Suspension is obviously different. Can you order a non-squatch with the 4.7 gears and lockers front and rear? also how about the Ford Performance (HOSS 3) steering rack? Those come with the SASQ package right now.

 

[crzyhawk]

You forgot the fender flairs.

Fair point, I stand corrected sir!

 

[crzyhawk]

I don't know about that.... Suspension is obviously different. Can you order a non-squatch with the 4.7 gears and lockers front and rear? also how about the Ford Performance (HOSS 3) steering rack? Those come with the SASQ package right now.

Shocks are the same, just different bumpstops is my understanding, and the bumpstops allow the non sas to flex slightly better. Autos come with 4.46 gears, manuals 4.7. Badlands gets the HOSS 3.0 steering upgrades out of the box. Badlands comes with front and rear lockers out of the box.

So, if you're getting an auto, you are correct, you're not on 4.7 gears. For a manual, you're spending a little over 6 grand for the goodyears and everglades wheels. I'm pretty sure that all badlands are now getting the sas flares too

Automatics drop down to 4.46 gears on 33s. You're paying ~1700 for the auto, and sasquatch comes down to 4350. So for the auto, you get the tires, wheels and 4.7's for a little over 4k. It's a bit better deal if you aren't rowing your own.

Math's far different if you're not in a Badlands though, you get much more. out of sasquatch

 

[5GENIDN]

Shocks are the same, just different bumpstops is my understanding, and the bumpstops allow the non sas to flex slightly better. Autos come with 4.46 gears, manuals 4.7. Badlands gets the HOSS 3.0 steering upgrades out of the box. Badlands comes with front and rear lockers out of the box.

So, if you're getting an auto, you are correct, you're not on 4.7 gears. For a manual, you're spending a little over 6 grand for the goodyears and everglades wheels. I'm pretty sure that all badlands are now getting the sas flares too

Automatics drop down to 4.46 gears on 33s. You're paying ~1700 for the auto, and sasquatch comes down to 4350. So for the auto, you get the tires, wheels and 4.7's for a little over 4k. It's a bit better deal if you aren't rowing your own.

Math's far different if you're not in a Badlands though, you get much more. out of sasquatch

Are you sure the shocks are the same part number? I believe them to be digressive which means they have a calibrated ride height. As you move the valve outside of the designed ride height you are going to change how they respond based on their neutral position.

I am a bit surprised the Badlands gets the HOSS 3 rack because it was originally announced by Ford that the upgrade was attached to the Sasquatch package.... Maybe that upgrade was a carrot offered with the elimination of the Wildtrack??? which is now coming back.

 

[crzyhawk]

Am I 100% sure? No. That's what's commonly parroted though and nobody's called BS on it. I read it enough that I believe it. Flip or Ducati would have an answer, but I don't think it's worth pinging them over. I'm sitting here crying on my hitachis, so the difference between SAS and non-SAS is hugely different.

Big Bend is a step down in a lot of ways. Arguably a step down to the base if you're planning Sasquatch since you have to get Black Diamond first on a BB. Sasquatching a BB is over 10k. It's only 8k on a base, but you get no plates lol

 

[HPNQ420]

A lot of people claim the Sasquatch is not worth the price. How much do you value time not being aggravated and frustrated and going back and forth with parts, vendors and configurations? There are definitely people and scenarios to self squatch, but self squatching isn't for everyone. Not for me....

Started with a BD 7M. First season I did trails with it stock. 32's and a rear locker take you pretty far.

Second season added 5100's (I scored a set for around $400 but even new at $600 a deal). Arguably better quality than the yellow Bilsteins. Added 33" MT's. Ran the stock tires in the winter, then they migrated to my '14 JK Rubi 2 door when I picked that up. So the tire cost was essentially nothing. Only added cost was an alignment.

This year I plan to add the M210 locker. Last year was the first time I really could have used it. I may regear to 4.70 but 4.46 is fine with 33's. (Thinking about a set of 34"-35" tires dedicated to trail riding.

The only thing missing is the sway bar disconnect. If I find a deal on one at a parts yard I will add it. I never use GOAT modes so I don't care if the front locker and sway bar are integrated. (In fact, I wish the dial weren't there and things weren't integrated.) The upgraded steering rack wasn't a thing in '23 so that would cost me one way or another anyways.

I will be way cheaper than what Sasquatch would have cost. The key is I do my own work. Regearing might go to a shop if I go that route.

Benefits: Saved money, I like working on my truck, I add equipment as I find the need, and I enjoy planning out the upgrades.

On the other hand it was nice to score an unmolested JK Rubi with all the bells and whistles, even if its primary purpose is a daily driver for my daughter.

Ordering today? I'd probably go the BD route again for a four door, Badlands non-squatch for the two door.

 

[Beach_Bum]

You forgot the fender flairs.

Thank you.

 

[5GENIDN]

Am I 100% sure? No. That's what's commonly parroted though and nobody's called BS on it. I read it enough that I believe it. Flip or Ducati would have an answer, but I don't think it's worth pinging them over. I'm sitting here crying on my hitachis, so the difference between SAS and non-SAS is hugely different.

Big Bend is a step down in a lot of ways. Arguably a step down to the base if you're planning Sasquatch since you have to get Black Diamond first on a BB. Sasquatching a BB is over 10k. It's only 8k on a base, but you get no plates lol

Sorry... not trying to put you on the spot or anything like that. I just question everything. That is just me... I can be an ass (unintentional but the result is often viewed as the same)...LOL.

I am easily confused and often just trying to make sense of things.

The few times I have checked, I have found that Ford upgrade packages typically contain upgrades that have assigned values to them and the math adds up. I do question some of the value assigned but the math actually does add (at least every time I have checked). That is why to get one package you actually have to purchase two other packages so that the third package will actually fit (and operate) on the vehicle.

Things like SASQ flares would not make sense on a non-SASQ badlands... Reason: the non-SASQ badlands comes with a smaller tire wheel combination and has a more negative offset drawing the smaller tire in... not dramatically (about - 15mm for the wheel centerline) but the wheel is 1 inch narrower to fit the smaller tire drawing the tire in another 12.5mm plus...) That is about 1 inch total and enough that the SASQ flare would look a bit odd covering area well beyond the sidewall of the tire.

 

[crzyhawk]

I don't feel put on the spot at all. I am happy to be corrected, and have been on the internet long enough to realize that saying something incorrect will draw people out faster to educate you than asking a question. Questions will get ignored, but folks won't pass up the opportunity to correct!

I think the hoss 3 steering upgrades were a 25 thing. Maybe 24. As for the flares? Other people reported it, I think that's a 26 thing. I don't know if that's something you can find from Ford.

 

[Ducati1098]

Shocks are the same, just different bumpstops is my understanding, and the bumpstops allow the non sas to flex slightly better. Autos come with 4.46 gears, manuals 4.7. Badlands gets the HOSS 3.0 steering upgrades out of the box. Badlands comes with front and rear lockers out of the box.

So, if you're getting an auto, you are correct, you're not on 4.7 gears. For a manual, you're spending a little over 6 grand for the goodyears and everglades wheels. I'm pretty sure that all badlands are now getting the sas flares too

Automatics drop down to 4.46 gears on 33s. You're paying ~1700 for the auto, and sasquatch comes down to 4350. So for the auto, you get the tires, wheels and 4.7's for a little over 4k. It's a bit better deal if you aren't rowing your own.

Math's far different if you're not in a Badlands though, you get much more. out of sasquatch

Are you sure the shocks are the same part number? I believe them to be digressive which means they have a calibrated ride height. As you move the valve outside of the designed ride height you are going to change how they respond based on their neutral position.

I am a bit surprised the Badlands gets the HOSS 3 rack because it was originally announced by Ford that the upgrade was attached to the Sasquatch package.... Maybe that upgrade was a carrot offered with the elimination of the Wildtrack??? which is now coming back.

Shocks are different between badlands and Sasquatch. I think the overall length is the same, but there are differences in spring perch height, reservoir location, tuning, etc.

Sasquatch:

Badlands:

All badlands (Sasquatch and non-Sasquatch) come with the upgraded steering rack since 2024? Or whenever Ford made that change along with all other Sasquatch equipped vehicles.

 

[5GENIDN]

Shocks are different between badlands and Sasquatch. I think the overall length is the same, but there are differences in spring perch height, reservoir location, tuning, etc.

Sasquatch:

Badlands:

All badlands (Sasquatch and non-Sasquatch) come with the upgraded steering rack since 2024? Or whenever Ford made that change along with all other Sasquatch equipped vehicles.

Makes sense on the shocks.... Again I think it has to do with neutral the piston position would have to be different which would only slightly change the internal valving position... Not a big difference but essential. Probably why the reservoir is located slightly different.

I did not realize they added the rack to all badlands... that is interesting... I am glad they did. Adds value to the model. So I am assuming that the rack is priced into the Model and not the package.

When they announced the rack upgrade I only remember them mentioning all Sasquatch would receive it I simply assumed it had to do with managing the extra contact patch size of the 35x12.5 tires.

I think the Wild track was receiving it at that time and Badlands was not.... so with the discontinuation of the Wildtrack I guess going with the Badlands was the only way to get the HOSS 3 rack without the Sasquatch package... (again only if the added it to the model with out SASQ)

I am sure that was figured into the price of the Badlands but... then that begs the question... When upgrading the Badlands to Sasquatch do they back out the price of a rack it already has? or do they just add the price of the rack as a required option for any other model getting a Sasquatch??? These are just thoughts that do not require answers... I am thinking out loud.

 

[Neps]

Wildtrack could get the upgraded steering rack in late 2022 with the HOSS 3.0 option.
Upgraded steering became standard on Wildtrack in 2023, and standard on Badlands in 2024.

 

[Timo]

Right on! I have noticed a whole lot of dissapointment with the folks who couldnt afford the Sasquatch or higher trim features and go to have them added later and are absolutely shocked when it turns into a giant pain in the ass. My buddy intentionally bought a base, but he is super mechanical and has totally badassed that Bronco. What he couldnt do, he found a shop that could. At the end of the day, he has spent way more on that Base than my Wildtrak.

Yeah, for some people money isn't the issue, the real joy is putting the mods on themselves. I was like that years ago but now I rather spend more time in the car than under it.

 

[Desmolicious]

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