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I’m curious what your water temp was. I’m guessing the 2.7EB in that package isn’t taxed much. The EB’s will pull like no other but low RPM’s and lots of load (boost) will build heat in the turbos.
My 2nd gen 3.5EB would have the power to accelerate up an 8% grade pulling a 9000lb travel trailer, the problem is it couldn’t get rid of the heat fast enough. I never had it go into power reduction mode (252 water temp I believe) but I did see it hit 245 a couple times and would regularly pull grades (when towing) at 235-240.
People like to say it’s an intercooler issue but ambient vs. intake temps never varied much than a delta of 10 degrees.
My 2nd gen 3.5EB would have the power to accelerate up an 8% grade pulling a 9000lb travel trailer, the problem is it couldn’t get rid of the heat fast enough. I never had it go into power reduction mode (252 water temp I believe) but I did see it hit 245 a couple times and would regularly pull grades (when towing) at 235-240.
People like to say it’s an intercooler issue but ambient vs. intake temps never varied much than a delta of 10 degrees.
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Coolant temp wasn't an issue. It never went over 218. However I was watching the trans temp very closely. While on the highway, it seemed to be ok, even when climbing. However, once we got on the dirt road and was going much slower, the trans temp rose to 221. That's the highest I've seen it. It wasn't in the red yet but trans temps still worry me....
Your over your gvrw1
You don't have tow brakes!
Your over your payload!
Your insurance won't cover an accident!!
Hopefully that covered all the tow police comments so that we can enjoy your excitement!
I tow with diesel. We have the 2.7 and I've towed with a 3.5. They are great motors that to me are like mini diesels. It's nice to not hear scream their guts out all the time. Enjoy the towing and that's awesome it fits your needs.
You don't have tow brakes!
Your over your payload!
Your insurance won't cover an accident!!
Hopefully that covered all the tow police comments so that we can enjoy your excitement!
I tow with diesel. We have the 2.7 and I've towed with a 3.5. They are great motors that to me are like mini diesels. It's nice to not hear scream their guts out all the time. Enjoy the towing and that's awesome it fits your needs.
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I wouldn’t worry at all about the trans temps. The new transmissions will run 250 all day long and not even worry about it. Nice to hear on the water temp though!Coolant temp wasn't an issue. It never went over 218. However I was watching the trans temp very closely. While on the highway, it seemed to be ok, even when climbing. However, once we got on the dirt road and was going much slower, the trans temp rose to 221. That's the highest I've seen it. It wasn't in the red yet but trans temps still worry me....
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Raise the ball height about 2 inches. It will ride much better
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I was noticing the rear squat as well. Some interesting analysis from a skilled spring/trailer tow shop is in order. Most pickups and some SUV that have a factory trailer package are built a bit stiff in the rear suspension so that they can handle the tongue weight of a trailer and the extra weight of a load in the rear (and then they sell front level kits!). It appears that in the Broncos case the suspension is tuned for trail articulation and soft ride, not for extra load. There will be solutions!!
In the 1990s, there were several after market tow assist suspension upgrades that could be installed on my full size Bronco and similar vehicles and turned on when needed and left soft the rest of the time. These include
(1) rear air bladder assist springs that could be pumped up when needed with a dash button. In fact, my 2003 Excursion had one added by a previous owner.
(2) shock absorbers that could be twisted/switched by reaching under the car to a trailer setting when needed
(3) stocks that could be adjusted via dash controlled air hose
(4)Install a heavier spring, but that makes for a permanent fix (stiffer ride), whether towing or not.
Will be interesting to see if this is a problem that needs solving in the years ahead.
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Just curious. What's the height from the ground to the bottom of your receiver on the 4dr BL non-squatch? My offroad trailer tongue is definitely higher than most so I'm curious as to how this will play out in my case before I pick it up.
Get a can am there super nice I hear nothing but horror stories about the razors catching fire . Honda talon is really nice side bye side too. There all overpriced though getting as high as close to 30000 now
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Thought same thing. I tow a similar set with my F350 PS. He’s running a single axle trailer. The appropriate position to distribute weight is more on tongue than behind axle. He’s doing nothing wrong.
Reminded why I’ll never post any pics in effort to be helpful. Too many know it all’s.
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Good write up OP, thank you. This is the kind of real world towing report I was looking for. Sounds like a few add-on items, like maybe sumo springs, or an added sway bar, or maybe weight dist. hitch as others have noted, the towing might be even a bit more stable (?), just guessing, even though it sounds like it was no issue. Thanks OP.
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So he can share and his friends can drive the Razr!
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They are getting really expensive. Thanks for the help. I'll look into the Can Am
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We have a group that we ride with regularly. They are mostly RZR with a couple of Can-Ams and other brands. You really can't go wrong with any of the newer modern SxS. We love the suspension of the RZR. The Bronco suspension is great but the SxS suspensions are better, especially when going fast. The turbos are wicked fast but not always necessary depending on the type of riding you do. You get a better view over the hood in a RZR than the Can-Ams but many people prefer the laid-back seating position of the Can-Ams. Go test drive them and see what you like better. They are all fun!
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