Oh no,.......another tire thread!

[Danielsand]

Actually,......it might help someone out there.

My tires (GY SAS OEM) are about halfway down. So, I've been looking for a replacement to do before the snow hits. I decided I don't mind GY Territory that much. Violent Sasquatch creature is supposed to throw rocks, isn't it? What I like about these, is their weight. Everything else I considered was substantially heavier. I don't want to hang more weight on the tailgate. These throw rocks. They do. But I like the way they look, sound, and handle. I considered ALL major brands of course and finally pulled the trigger on these.

Just as a heads up for you fine people of the B6G, I just ordered four new ones from Walmart for $756 delivered. That's DIRT cheap according to many websites/vendors I looked at. IF you like these, I don't think they can be had anywhere else for less. I know a lot of people don't like them, and that's OK. I'm not like other people.

Don't rush to reply to this thread, give me a few minutes to put my flame-retardant suit on.

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[crenca]

I'm with you, the stock Goodyears have a lot of 'pros' that seem under considered around here. Indeed outside those who are technical rock crawlers, they may be the best general recommendation.

That that said, there's always going to be many who are not technical rock crawlers or even consistent off-roaders who are always going to want the most aggressive looking tire out there, regardless of the cons of weight, price, etc.

 

[Danielsand]

I'm with you, the stock Goodyears have a lot of 'pros' that seem under considered around here. Indeed outside those who are technical rock crawlers, they may be the best general recommendation.

That that said, there's always going to be many who are not technical rock crawlers or even consistent off-roaders who are always going to want the most aggressive looking tire out there, regardless of the cons of weight, price, etc.

Yup, all that came in consideration. I drive mostly on pavement. About 1/2 mile on my gravel driveway, and some forestry roads without obstacles. IF I decide to go "up the mountain" with dogs, I take an old Jeep Cherokee (used exclusively to take the dogs to play, to the vet, or to the lake). Just for clarification, my main house is at 4500', and the lake is at 6500' (that's what we call "up the mountain" around here).

 

[TX-Dennis]

I like them as well. Probably not good for heavy rock crawling, but they are great on road and do well for light to moderate offroading. They perform well in rain, ice, and snow. Pretty much any other tire comes with a weight and gas mileage penalty.

Unless something changes drastically between now and then to alter my opinion, I will also be replacing them with the same.

 

[dpAtlanta]

They keep using the OEM Goodyears on the Bronco Off-Roadeo vehicles, so they must be acceptable for their off road trails.

I plan on switching to General Grabber X3’s just because I like the look… if the extra rotational weight makes a difference on the acceleration, I will switch back to lower weight tires for sure.

 

[615_Bronco]

No hate here. 52k before I replaced them
I thought they were great in the snow

 

[Brian_B]

just ordered four new ones from Walmart for $756 delivered.

That is a really good price - not much more than new takeoffs are running to be honest

I have a set in my garage and I run them in the winter - they are good snow tires for being not 3PMSF, and nice for daily driving

 

[Scott R Nelson]

What I like about these, is their weight. Everything else I considered was substantially heavier. I don't want to hang more weight on the tailgate.

I'm considering the Firestone Destination MT2 for my next tire, but dang, 17 pounds heavier? I may have to rethink that.

 

[Brian_B]

I'm considering the Firestone Destination MT2 for my next tire, but dang, 17 pounds heavier? I may have to rethink that.

Two ways to look at that

The first is that, no denying - unsprung weight is important.

The second is - if almost every other tire is coming in heavier, by 15-25 lbs (and that seems to be about the range) - then wtf? Is BFG using “aerospace rubber” or some advanced material technology from Area 51? Are they cheating on sidewall strength or internal reinforcement?

Material provides wear layers, abrasion and cut resistance, and side wall strength. And material has mass - can’t cheat physics too much.

Not advocating for or against anything here - just providing some observations without any clear answers.

 

[ssls6]

Almost every other tire in the right size range is E rated. The Goodyear tire is C rated. E rated tires hold substantially more weight, have more plies, and can be run at 80 psi.

The exception is the KO2 used on the Jeep extreme recon package. It is a C rated, 6 ply, BFG KO2. It weighs 62 lbs compared to the C rated Goodyear Territory RT tire on my new Badland. The Goodyear Territory RT is also 3 peak rated and weighs in at 55 lbs.

You can get a KO2 in an E rating for the 315 size but it weighs more like 70 lbs. I think I'm going to stick with the Goodyear even though I'm a big KO2 fan. Weight matters a lot but I'll likely reinforce my tailgate before I consider switching and then it will be the C rated KO2.

 

[Brian_B]

Almost every other tire in the right size range is E rated.

You are right that sidewall rating plays a major part in overall tire weight.

But you can find tires in all sorts of classifications - E are popular, no doubt, but so are C and D, and there are even a few SL and F ratings in there if you look hard enough. Just have to pay attention. I found that in 35x12.5, LR D was the most common in most of the tires I was considering.

 

[Jakob1972]

I really liked the factory GY was a great tire for about 50k miles and after a few thousand miles on them they did not chuck rocks as much. I needed replacement tires before our trip to Moab this spring I set up an appointment at Ford for an oil change and new tires but they didn’t have tires when I got there. So I ran to discount and they only had BFG K03 in the sas size but they made me a smoking deal on them. They are only available in load range F right now so aired up to 40 psi they rode like bricks but at 36psi ride nice. I have to air down lower than the GY on the trails. They are heavier but haven’t notice a performance decrease and only took about 1 mpg hit on the mileage. They are super quiet for an aggressive tire. They are a tad bigger than the GY too. As far as throwing rocks they make the Goodyears seem tame. I live down a dirt drive and these tires can chuck some rocks, and they seem to hold on to them for miles before they let them go.

edit: also they kinda scared me in the snow. Texas we don’t get snow often and when we do you don’t go driving in it, so I am not a seasoned snow driver. But we found some roads in the mountains that had snow. I was in 4auto going 20 mph or less heading down a slight grade straight line and the bronco on two occasions got loose on me like the ass end wanted to be in front. I was expecting more from a 3 peak tire. To be fair they only had about 500 miles on them.

 

[KillerPenz]

Actually,......it might help someone out there.

My tires (GY SAS OEM) are about halfway down. So, I've been looking for a replacement to do before the snow hits. I decided I don't mind GY Territory that much. Violent Sasquatch creature is supposed to throw rocks, isn't it? What I like about these, is their weight. Everything else I considered was substantially heavier. I don't want to hang more weight on the tailgate. These throw rocks. They do. But I like the way they look, sound, and handle. I considered ALL major brands of course and finally pulled the trigger on these.

Just as a heads up for you fine people of the B6G, I just ordered four new ones from Walmart for $756 delivered. That's DIRT cheap according to many websites/vendors I looked at. IF you like these, I don't think they can be had anywhere else for less. I know a lot of people don't like them, and that's OK. I'm not like other people.

Don't rush to reply to this thread, give me a few minutes to put my flame-retardant suit on.

Hold up, you paid less than $200/tire? That's crazy. Last time I got these I paid probably in the $240-$250 range, almost 2 years ago. I have no issues with the tires, handle good in snow/rain, and like you mentioned are light. Sure I'd love a set of MT Baja Boss A/T's, but with the miles I put on every year, I definitely save some green going with the GY's. Besides, I'm not out rock crawling, mine does more towing than anything else.

 

[Danielsand]

That is a really good price - not much more than new takeoffs are running to be honest

I have a set in my garage and I run them in the winter - they are good snow tires for being not 3PMSF, and nice for daily driving

Snow driving on the twisty canyon road to town, is what Bronco will be mostly used for. Many people say that true "mud tires" are not good in the snow, but my experience with Toyo Open Country was great on the snow. They were mounted on the FJ Cruiser, and the thing was unstoppable. They were (of course) ungodly loud and wore unevenly on the dry pavement.

My initial intention for the upcoming snow season with Bronco was to buy a set of wheels (with TPMS) and Territories, so I can just swap the wheels in the garage by myself when I need better/deeper thread in the snow and keep these with pristine rims for summer. Found a great deal here on the forum, but I was reluctant to wire the cash to someone that joined the forum just to sell the set, with no feedback, and no "presence" on the forum. I proposed a "COD" transaction, but the seller didn't want to do that. Seller proposed I pay 50% up front and pay the rest upon receipt. Still,......even 50% is more than I ever put on the table in Vegas (I'm not a gambler).

After I decided that I don't want to gamble, I started looking at many different websites for a set of tires. Wife came into my den and suggested I look at Walmart (that wasn't on my radar at all). Well,.......tires are coming tomorrow, and come November, I'll have them mounted.

 

[Danielsand]

Hold up, you paid less than $200/tire? That's crazy. Last time I got these I paid probably in the $240-$250 range, almost 2 years ago. I have no issues with the tires, handle good in snow/rain, and like you mentioned are light. Sure I'd love a set of MT Baja Boss A/T's, but with the miles I put on every year, I definitely save some green going with the GY's. Besides, I'm not out rock crawling, mine does more towing than anything else.

Yup,....756 for four of them. Delivered. Couldn't say no to that. Our Bronco doesn't go rock crawling (we experienced this long ago, and it's now "been there-done that" type a thing). Driving 20 miles to town in the snow, and occasional drive to Missoula over the pass to pick up kinfolk from the airport. SAS Good Years are perfectly fine for that.

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