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[Rogues Gambit]

I'm a Ford guy, but have had a 2013 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited for 7 1/2 years. It's not my daily driver anymore, but I have lots of friends that use their Jeeps as daily drivers. I live in Nebraska and when I was using my Jeep as a daily driver I used the soft top all summer. It really is a quick up / down process and really easy to do by yourself. I could even go through the car wash without leaks. Not once was there an issue.

The Hardtop is great for winter. You can really tell how much more structurally rigid it makes the Jeep. Now that it's a weekend / nice weather vehicle, I take the doors and top off in the spring and leave them off until the winter. I have an aftermarket temporary soft top that I store in the back just in case weather changes unexpectedly. (which wouldn't help when being door-less, but...)

If FCA can make a soft top that doesn't leak and a hardtop that doesn't rattle, I'm sure Ford can do better. In my opinion, Ford is going after what 97% of Jeep Wrangler owners use their Jeeps for, not rock crawling, but slight off roading on easy - moderate trails. Also nothing an IFS wouldn't handle.

Again, just my opinion and based on my experiences over the last 7 1/2 years, but I think that Ford is hitting the nail on the head. The new Bronco will more than likely have much better on road manners than a Wrangler and do what the vast majority of Wrangler owners do off-road. Being able to take the top and doors off, just makes this a more attractive alternative to your regular SUV.

Bingo!

I'm the 97%, and really only done trails twice tbh. Never really drove an SFA, but I know with my Ram, tossing it around since I've done my RSB/End Links, so I assume with good mods, I can make it handle.

Ford doesn't fuck around, they're #1 for a reason (And also a reason Government Motors is dropping like a rock while FCA is getting better), and so yeah, taken a while to get here, but you can't rush quality

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[Hautian]

Bingo!

I'm the 97%, and really only done trails twice tbh. Never really drove an SFA, but I know with my Ram, tossing it around since I've done my RSB/End Links, so I assume with good mods, I can make it handle.

Ford doesn't fuck around, they're #1 for a reason (And also a reason Government Motors is dropping like a rock while FCA is getting better), and so yeah, taken a while to get here, but you can't rush quality

Are you taking truck sales in reference to calling Ford #1?

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Are you taking truck sales in reference to calling Ford #1?

Also Mustang

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Imagine if Ford does this:

 

[Stampede.Offroad]

Are you taking truck sales in reference to calling Ford #1?

So many people conflate volume with quality.

I don't think WalMart is the best shop in town because of the volume they sell. I don't think McDonalds has the best sandwiches because they moved a large volume of burgers. Similarly I don't consider a model of vehicle best because they sold the most units either.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

So many people conflate volume with quality.

I don't think WalMart is the best shop in town because of the volume they sell. I don't think McDonalds has the best sandwiches because they moved a large volume of burgers. Similarly I don't consider a model of vehicle best because they sold the most units either.

True true, except in the case of Ford, I'd get a Raptor instead of my Rebel if I could have afforded it, just as if I were looking for another Muscle car, I'd get a Mustang over a Camaro and only over a Challenger as I could get it in a Convertible

 

[Hautian]

So many people conflate volume with quality.

I don't think WalMart is the best shop in town because of the volume they sell. I don't think McDonalds has the best sandwiches because they moved a large volume of burgers. Similarly I don't consider a model of vehicle best because they sold the most units either.

I agree with you. I was just curious what he meant by Ford being #1.

I hope that Fords quality on the Bronco is good. The only thing that worries me is that the transfer cases on our F150s at work look like they are corroding from the salt they put on the roads. Spraying them with fluid film does seem to stop it.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

I agree with you. I was just curious what he meant by Ford being #1.

I hope that Fords quality on the Bronco is good. The only thing that worries me is that the transfer cases on our F150s at work look like they are corroding from the salt they put on the roads. Spraying them with fluid film does seem to stop it.

Oh snap, crackle and pop, really??

 

[Hautian]

Oh snap, crackle and pop, really??

I don’t want to blow it out of proportion we haven’t had any issues with it as far as function. Just a build up of white around the bolts that looks like corrosion. It’s hard to tell if the case actually lost any metal. But it is happening on 3 or 4 f150s we have.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

I don’t want to blow it out of proportion we haven’t had any issues with it as far as function. Just a build up of white around the bolts that looks like corrosion. It’s hard to tell if the case actually lost any metal. But it is happening on 3 or 4 f150s we have.

Now I'm going to check my Truck, just to be safe

 

[OX1]

I don’t want to blow it out of proportion we haven’t had any issues with it as far as function. Just a build up of white around the bolts that looks like corrosion. It’s hard to tell if the case actually lost any metal. But it is happening on 3 or 4 f150s we have.

Hence why I get a cheaper (compared to many $50K+ trucks these days) AWD car for winter.

My 15 year old diesel is mint, body and framewise, and only has 52K miles due to not DDing it
(and it's pre DEF). Not sure I would ever outlay what the new one's cost.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Speaking of cheap diesels, you think mk6 TDI's will ever appreciate?

I get Uncle and his Globalist buddies had to teach VW a lesson for ruining people's appetite for EV's and Hybrids, but it's been long enough and the prices I believe can't stay basement bargin bin forever

 

[Covfefe]

Imagine if Ford does this:

+110%

If Ford can pull this off, they will get a ton of Mustang convertible owners. I know personally if they did this, I would trade in my Mustang immediately. Sick and tired of getting plowed in and not being able to drive over it from lack of ground clearance and AWD/4WD

 

[BroncoJeremie]

Bingo!

I'm the 97%, and really only done trails twice tbh. Never really drove an SFA, but I know with my Ram, tossing it around since I've done my RSB/End Links, so I assume with good mods, I can make it handle.

Ford doesn't fuck around, they're #1 for a reason (And also a reason Government Motors is dropping like a rock while FCA is getting better), and so yeah, taken a while to get here, but you can't rush quality

Exactly thank you, saddly I wish they never told is it was coming so early, only as people are impatient, it's gonna be amazing

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Exactly thank you, saddly I wish they never told is it was coming so early, only as people are impatient, it's gonna be amazing

I swing back and forth between do I want more debt (aka car payments) or a cheap little tuner.

I just need a bit more info to solidify my choice, and at this rate, we'll get it

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