What the hell is Ford doing?

[CV428]

Could you expand on this a bit? I think I get your meaning but then there is context, known known's, unknowns, unintended consequences, and questions of culture...

sure.
people -> always make thing bad
thing happen -> Could be good, but probably not
me -> Expect bad
me -> Usually right

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[Snacktime]

I know Ford priced me out of a 2 Door Bronco. The low production on the Base models 2 doors has kept the prices up. The best deal within 200 miles was $1500 off MSRP pushing the OTD price nearly $10K over a 2 Door Wrangler Sport. I know that you can score a 2025 Jeep 4 door for a few dollars more if you stay in the low trims.

The bigger gamble is buying a new vehicle right now, are prices going up due to tariffs or down due to lot rot? Also defaults on car loans are climbing so maybe we will see more used vehicles?

 

[Robert_James]

What he just said above. That’s what I did. Got a smoking deal on a used Badlands, loaded w squat. Aside from color, it was exactly how speced it in ‘21 but wasn’t willing to pay the $65K.

I picked up my '21 BadSquatch for under 40-ish with 22K miles on it back in May of this year! And it was definitely a mall crawler. Don't go crazy on Ford. I am sure people who use the products or services of the company you work for paid you less so those services or products were cheaper for them. imho.

 

[technerd]

It's not even just the pricing, it's the options/package locking. You can't buy anything close to my build anymore: 2 door Outer Banks with the 2.7l and cloth seats.

 

[Southern Girl]

There are still a bunch of new 24s on lots. I just bought a Wildtrak, which is what I originally wanted when I reserved, but Ford made me switch to a Badlands to get my order. The price was lower than it was going to be when I bought with Stevens because of Ford incentives. Search for the remaining 24 Broncos and I bet you can find one for a good price.

 

[Southern Girl]

That's what got us when we had to replace our totaled '22. She was supposed to be Rapid Red but when we got pushed to '22 that went away.

That looks really nice with the black top and the stripe.

 

[tourproto]

Sorry for your pain. My 22 Badlands cannot even be ordered today as I configured it back in 2022. Several of the options I chose (updated wheels, base audio system), now force you into higher level packages with options that I don't want (e.g. Adaptive Cruise Control). Even more infuriating than when I got "forced" into a Badlands instead of a Black Diamond because I wanted the Mid Package and a 7-speed. The current B&P was maddening when I tried to replicate my options, but it seemed like to get my 22 BL in 2025, it would be $10K more. Just crazy. But as others have said, everything is more expensive now than it was in 2020, even for the same exact item. Not sure I would buy a new Bronco if something happened to mine. Would probably be searching for a used one.

 

[bloominguez]

When the Corvette Z06 came out a couple of years ago it was a hot commodity and difficult to get. GM, in order to prevent flipping, would block the warranty if a car was sold within 6 months of initial delivery. This was fully optioned Z06 with the Z07 performance package for sale on Bring a Trailer. The vehicle sticker showed an MSRP of just over $160K. No idea if the original owner paid a markup over MSRP, but odd are they did given the market conditions at the time. It was being flipped before the 6 months expired so they were straightforward that there was a warranty block on the car.

It ended up selling for over $60K OVER what the original MSRP was!! So, some person paid over $220K for a car with NO WARRANTY just to be one of the first to have a Z06. To add to that, the Z06 was the first GM car with a flat plane crank. Ferrari has been building engines for decades with a flat plane crank, not the US OEMs. Just look at the early issues Ford had with the GT350. That is crazy that someone would lay out that kind of money for an unproven product with no warranty.

To add insult to injury, GM is now struggling to move Z06s at $7K under MSRP, and this person paid $60K OVER MSRP for a car with no warranty.

I have never and will never pay MSRP for a car, much less over MSRP. I've seen it too many times. Just wait it out.

When I purchased my leftover WildTrak last January I paid $4k under MSRP. A couplke months later I had some regret that if I had waited a couple more months, I could have gotten an even better deal, but I pulled the trigger when I did because I REALLY wanted Cactus Grey and given that that color was being discontinued, I would've missed out.

GM initially planned the warranty block period to be 1 year, not 6 months.
https://www.jalopnik.com/gm-will-cancel-your-warranty-if-you-buy-your-z06-from-a-1849350024/

It was a bad policy, insulting to longtime buyers. One gentleman on the Cadillac (and other) forum(s) played a role in changing the policy. Key posts are here, but the whole thread is interesting:
https://www.cadillacvnet.com/forums...-hummer-escalade-v-if-flipped.2864/post-43756

https://www.cadillacvnet.com/forums...-hummer-escalade-v-if-flipped.2864/post-47953

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[BroncoA512021]

Money, money.........

It's NOT the same money it was in '21. Most people totally dismiss inflation, and some even state there is no inflation to begin with. Money is NEVER worth it's "face value", and the only thing that can reveal its "value" is the buying power. You can look at consumables (food for example) and calculate how much can you buy for a certain monetary unit. Let's look at the "Benjamin".

Five years ago, one could buy certain number of pounds of meat, or lettuce, or peppers (or whatever else). Today, $100 Dollar bill will bring home a lot less. Five years ago, I would bring a single bell pepper home for 69 cents. Today the same bell pepper is 2 bucks. That's just one example.

If one pays 60K for a Bronco today, in five years 60K will be "peanuts". If anyone can get 0% financing (regardless of the length of the term) one should jump on it. Our economy is so "good" (and it's not just us,.... the US) that it sucks if one has to work for money (instead of the other way around........money working for one). As long as it doesn't cost anything to borrow someone else's money, one should borrow as much as possible.

The best scenario.........buy some gold bullion with 0% financing! (wouldn't that be nice?)

Ford is a publicly traded company. They are in business to turn a profit for their shareholders...

 

[Sgt Badlands]

Yeah, he is clearly frustrated and must not have stated that last part with the Badlands correctly. A moar door 2.7L/10spAuto Sasquatch Badlands with painted black HT (no other options) will come to about $60k

But he reserved on on launch night!!!

 

[ThunderFlash]

Ford is a publicly traded company. They are in business to turn a profit for their shareholders...

True, but I believe as long as there is someone with the last name of Ford somewhere in the executive leadership or board of directors, there is still hope for them.

 

[ABorges]

Completely baffled by Ford’s lack of flexibility in the customization of a 25’ Bronco. I was one of the first to order a 21’ on reveal night. Got my Bronco, absolutely loved it, but due to the unforeseen circumstances of life, I had to let it go a few years later. Recently, I’ve been looking to get back into one, and damn man…. My exact original build (a base in ruby red with the Sasquatch package, and the added hardtop this time around) nearly touches 55 grand, and I don’t even have the V6 as an option.
I played around with the Big Bend build, and that nearly touched 60 grand; I had to add the goofy-looking $2500 free-wheeling package just to get the gloss black hardtop and if you want the Sasquatch package they force you to tack on the Black Diamond Package.
I always wanted a Badlands, so come to find out Im forced to take on the Sasquatch package if I want the 10 speed auto and the sway bar disconnect isn’t standard? Gtfoh. Ford literally said with no shame, “Let me charge you more for less.” 🫩

Yep, a lot more money and a lot fewer choices. So glad I got mine in 2021.

 

[Mako]

Completely baffled by Ford’s lack of flexibility in the customization of a 25’ Bronco. I was one of the first to order a 21’ on reveal night. Got my Bronco, absolutely loved it, but due to the unforeseen circumstances of life, I had to let it go a few years later. Recently, I’ve been looking to get back into one, and damn man…. My exact original build (a base in ruby red with the Sasquatch package, and the added hardtop this time around) nearly touches 55 grand, and I don’t even have the V6 as an option.
I played around with the Big Bend build, and that nearly touched 60 grand; I had to add the goofy-looking $2500 free-wheeling package just to get the gloss black hardtop and if you want the Sasquatch package they force you to tack on the Black Diamond Package.
I always wanted a Badlands, so come to find out Im forced to take on the Sasquatch package if I want the 10 speed auto and the sway bar disconnect isn’t standard? Gtfoh. Ford literally said with no shame, “Let me charge you more for less.” 🫩

I feel his pain, to get as close to what I purchased for 54,000 dollars at 2021 pricing costs right at 68,00 -70,000 now. I have a 2 door Badlands SAS with Lux package , 2.7 Liter engine /10 speed, winch and roof rails. Modular bumper . and you can't get the 2.7 in the 2 door unless it is a Stroupe .

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