Ford finally got me....

[Mattmquin]

Did they push you to the switch too?

As much as I’ve been 100% all in on the 2.3/7spd, I finally argued myself into a corner and decided to go 2.7/10 spd on my 2 dr BD. I love “rowing the boat”, it gives you a fee of being in control, holding a gear just a bit longer so you don’t have a lag, dropping that gear hammering up a steep climb, I love all of it, no issues dding a manual.

What got me was the stipulations and restrictions.
- no mid/manual without going BL
- 400 torque limit
- none of the perks (trail turn, trail control)
- no public track record yet for the 7 spd
I’m not looking to go nuts in the power department, but 310hp/400tq out of the box, with 375-400hp/450-500 tq easily attainable and well within factory parameters is impressive.
I was looking forward to the 95:1 crawl ratio, but 80:1 is still ahead of a similarly prepped JLR. I’ve never needed trail turn assist, particularly on a 2 door, but it’s one more trick to add to the arsenal. And let’s be honest, I’m getting old and brittle, heated seats and remote start are a necessity in Michigan at this point (still don’t have my heated wheel ?)

All of that pointed towards the 2.7/10 spd.
Anyone else end up getting duped or was it just me?

Hate to say it but I am going the same route for all your reasons plus the stop-go speed adaptive cruise control. I really wanted to manual too.

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[indio22]

Did they push you to the switch too?

As much as I’ve been 100% all in on the 2.3/7spd, I finally argued myself into a corner and decided to go 2.7/10 spd on my 2 dr BD. I love “rowing the boat”, it gives you a fee of being in control, holding a gear just a bit longer so you don’t have a lag, dropping that gear hammering up a steep climb, I love all of it, no issues dding a manual.

What got me was the stipulations and restrictions.
- no mid/manual without going BL
- 400 torque limit
- none of the perks (trail turn, trail control)
- no public track record yet for the 7 spd
I’m not looking to go nuts in the power department, but 310hp/400tq out of the box, with 375-400hp/450-500 tq easily attainable and well within factory parameters is impressive.
I was looking forward to the 95:1 crawl ratio, but 80:1 is still ahead of a similarly prepped JLR. I’ve never needed trail turn assist, particularly on a 2 door, but it’s one more trick to add to the arsenal. And let’s be honest, I’m getting old and brittle, heated seats and remote start are a necessity in Michigan at this point (still don’t have my heated wheel ?)

All of that pointed towards the 2.7/10 spd.
Anyone else end up getting duped or was it just me?

I've generally had bad luck with auto transmissions. Recently had to have my slipping Jeep TJ auto transmission rebuilt. Our Ford Escort auto trans started slipping the 1-2 shift at around 60k miles. My old '65 Mustang needed the C4 auto trans rebuilt. And I'm not a lead foot driver by any means.

On the other hand, manual transmissions in all our vehicles have been gold. Including my wife's Geo Storm, that went 230,000+ miles with manual trans and original clutch!

But you are right - the new Bronco manual trans is a bit of a wild card. The fact we have no reliability history to go on, does give me pause. On the other hand, walking out of the dealership with a 2-door base model manual 2.3L for around 30k, would be nice. (Put on my own 33"s after.) Decisions ...

 

[Spooled]

I LOVE manuals, but for only $1895 extra the 2.7/10R80 is a bargain too good too pass up.

 

[Velociraptor]

Somebody please tell me that at 63 I'm not the very oldest person wanting a Bronco. Surely there's someone, somewhere older?

I am 64 and getting a 2dr Badlands with Sasquatch. I heard that a friend of a friend who is 78 just bought a new KTM 300 two stroke dirt bike. Keep having fun as long as possible!

 

[Southern Girl]

Manual all the way, only reason I'm getting the bronco

There are other cars with manual transmissions.

 

[Mattwings]

Welcome to the dark side.

GenXer here...I take offense. lol. I'm 42 and the tail end of GenX. Driving manual cars for 25 years. I think it's more the Millennial generation that didn't learn stick. That is all.

I am Gen-X and grew up on manuals. Motorcycles, Cars, Trucks and my last, a custom ordered 97 F150 Extended Cab 4X4 (even then no one stocked them). My son is 19 (Gen-Next I think), he grew up on dirt-bikes and could easily pick up a manual, he has friends that have manual Mustangs, Imports and Jeeps. It's not a generational thing. The main difference- just so few manuals are offered now, not as many people get exposed. I like my manual motorcycle, for my daily driver and off road vehicle? Not so much. To each their own, but for me and 99% of the new vehicle market, we have voted and the winner is auto.

 

[Demoncleaner]

I actually thought about it, yes. The 2.7/10A will probably be really nice. But I’m sticking with the 7spd. 99% of our market may be auto, but plenty of other locales still appreciate the manual.

 

[H0pelessOpus]

I want to get my hands on a manual in case they decide to discontinue it in the future. Even on moderately difficult trains I've had no issues with a stick. The crawler gear looks like it will help reduce the amount of feathering needed in low speed situations where you might need to ride the clutch more.

The 2.7L is an intriguing engine and it would be nice to have the extra power on tap but life is full of compromises.

 

[dingle87]

GenXer here...I take offense. lol. I'm 42 and the tail end of GenX. Driving manual cars for 25 years. I think it's more the Millennial generation that didn't learn stick. That is all.

Yep. I learned on a mt at a young age (10 ish) driving a 1/2 cab w/ my dad, like the one in my profile pic. My first 3 vehicles were mt, I have nothing against them and would buy a Bronco if it was paired with the 2.7L. Whether its thinking correctly or not, after researching/reading on this forum, I've grown leery of the 2.3L (DI only) paired with the mt (new equipment built in China). I could deal with 1 of those, but not both together.

 

[Rambler]

I’m old, I learned to drive in an automatic 1965 Buick. When I bought my first car I didn’t think about having to learn to drive a manual, I just paid for it and drove home. I had ridden in a straight shift car once before so I knew what to do. My Silverado is a manual and my new Bronco will definitely be the 7 speed. I want the driving experience and engagement the manual offers. I never considered an automatic, not even to get the good engine. Just buy what you like, the new Broncos are going to be bad, in the best possible way.

 

[Lowcountry Bronco]

I go back and forth every day on this, BL with manual with stuff that I don't want but can get High pkg with stuff I do or BD/BB with V6, Squatch and Mid but with automatic for cheaper.

 

[dingle87]

This is the type of thing that worries me about the 2.3L moving forward with the Bronco, if I were to choose the mt paired with the 2.3L.
Class Action Against Ford Ecoboost Engines

I realize this doesn't list the 2.3L, but I found this link on the Ranger forum about gas/liquid in engine oil.
Ranger Forum Discussion

 

[Mattwings]

This is the type of thing that worries me about the 2.3L moving forward with the Bronco, if I were to choose the mt paired with the 2.3L.
Class Action Against Ford Ecoboost Engines

I realize this doesn't list the 2.3L, but I found this link on the Ranger forum about gas/liquid in engine oil.
Ranger Forum Discussion

I think you can find the same issues on line for most manufacturers. Certainly Subaru, Chevy, Ford, Hyundai, Honda and all the German DI motors at different points had a select number of complaints. The 2.3 and the 2.0 and smaller motors don't share any parts from my understanding either. I don't worry about the 2.3 other than running a catch can, the DI carbon issues is pretty well documented and the fix pretty straightforward (on top of the newer DI approved GFI-6 (I think? oil specification.

 

[LowerSlowerDelaware]

After driving a Ranger, the 2.7+10 is the way to go.

If I could get the 2.7 in the Ranger Tremor, I would be hard pressed to decide between that and the Bronco BD 4D 2.7+10

 

[dingle87]

I think you can find the same issues on line for most manufacturers. Certainly Subaru, Chevy, Ford, Hyundai, Honda and all the German DI motors at different points had a select number of complaints. The 2.3 and the 2.0 and smaller motors don't share any parts from my understanding either. I don't worry about the 2.3 other than running a catch can, the DI carbon issues is pretty well documented and the fix pretty straightforward (on top of the newer DI approved GFI-6 (I think? oil specification.

I agree to a point, but that doesn't explain the gas/liquid Ranger owners are finding in their 2.3L oil upon oil checks and lab testing.

I was considering catch can and time that would go along with maintaining it, but then noticed on the Ranger forum, there's owners emptying those things with a couple oz of liquid after long trips too. It seems like a pain in the ass, that frankly I'm not sure I want to deal with. I'm not here to convince anyone, but at the same time the OP was asking if anyone else had switched over to the 2.7L and why.

edit: I've also wondered if I'm worrying way too much about this with the Bronco, since I have a 2.0 (DI) turbo in my Kia Optima which has had zero issues up to this point. So, I'm still torn, but leaning 2.7L.

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