How can the 2-door be a limiting factor for MY21?

[Roger123]

I honestly think it's due to the simple fact that they have fewer 2 door Bronco supplies compared to 4 door (which is intended since general sales of a 2 door vs 4 door truck are much lower). Probably just are covering their butt's in case more enthusiasts this year opt for the 2 door than expected, but I really don't see it being much of an issue. Order what you want!

This! Good advice

I'd say Ford probably used Jeep sales to have a guess where'd they be on 2 door sales. How many 2 door Jeeps do you see? I'd probably never buy a 2 door Jeep but I'm absolutely buying a 2 door Bronco. I guess we're a fickle bunch.

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[lobbs611]

Interesting. Outside of a few trim pieces I can’t think of what the differences are between the 2 and 4. What other general items are you thinking?
Edit to add: yes I know the door is longer, hence the trim pieces.

Pretty much the entire interior from the dash back to the rear access gate changes, the roll cage and all the trim that attaches to it, the tops, any wiring, fuel lines, brake lines that run from the front to the back, the fuel tank itself, driveshaft, frame, floor pan, the doors themselves and all the pieces that go into them, the body and its various attaching parts etc. It's hundreds if not several hundred big and little components that differ going from one to the other.

 

[Roger123]

Interesting. Outside of a few trim pieces I can’t think of what the differences are between the 2 and 4. What other general items are you thinking?
Edit to add: yes I know the door is longer, hence the trim pieces.

Body tub, frame, drive shaft, roll bars, rear seats, rear quarters, front doors, wiring harness, brake lines, fuel lines, gas tanks are different size.

 

[Roger123]

Pretty much the entire interior from the dash back to the rear access gate changes, the roll cage and all the trim that attaches to it, the tops, any wiring, fuel lines, brake lines that run from the front to the back, the fuel tank itself, driveshaft, etc. It's hundreds if not several hundred big and little components that differ going from one to the other.

You beat me to hitting enter!!

 

[ZackDanger]

I may be wrong but I thought the front panels and rear clamshell were the same and the difference was in the middle panel.

Not sure where you got that impression. Not sure exact dimensions on the front, but the rear clamshell is absolutely different.

I bet there is also a problem with the delay with the hard tops. They are being produced by Webasto and their plant they were building got heavily delayed when COVID jammed everything up.

2-door only comes with a hard top... 4-door can be optioned with the soft top.... so any delay in hard tops delays only some 4-doors but every single 2-door

That's why we're only seeing leaks from the factory right now of vehicles with soft tops and vehicles with no tops.... no hard tops available right now.

 

[Atomicdog]

Pretty much the entire interior from the dash back to the rear access gate changes, the roll cage and all the trim that attaches to it, the tops, any wiring, fuel lines, brake lines that run from the front to the back, the fuel tank itself, driveshaft, etc. It's hundreds if not several hundred little components that differ going from one to the other.

I didn’t think about the fuel tank or driveshaft. I don’t think they have storage units of general wiring and brake lines, I assume they are made/bent closer to production but that’s just my guess.

 

[Atomicdog]

Not sure where you got that impression. Not sure exact dimensions on the front, but the rear clamshell is absolutely different.

I bet there is also a problem with the delay with the hard tops. They are being produced by Webasto and their plant they were building got heavily delayed when COVID jammed everything up.

2-door only comes with a hard top... 4-door can be optioned with the soft top.... so any delay in hard tops delays only some 4-doors but every single 2-door

That's why we're only seeing leaks right now of vehicles with soft tops and vehicles with no tops.... no hard tops available right now.

Thanks, that is a perfect illustration. I don’t know why I thought that. I haven’t spent any time looking into 4-doors or their specs.

 

[lobbs611]

You beat me to hitting enter!!

I was probably still editing and adding things ??. It's a ton of things involved going from one to the other.

 

[Atomicdog]

What I’ve learned so far:
1) CPL_rabbit is no-nonsense
2) I suck at the “What’s different in these 2 pictures” puzzles

 

[Roger123]

Not sure where you got that impression. Not sure exact dimensions on the front, but the rear clamshell is absolutely different.

I bet there is also a problem with the delay with the hard tops. They are being produced by Webasto and their plant they were building got heavily delayed when COVID jammed everything up.

2-door only comes with a hard top... 4-door can be optioned with the soft top.... so any delay in hard tops delays only some 4-doors but every single 2-door

That's why we're only seeing leaks from the factory right now of vehicles with soft tops and vehicles with no tops.... no hard tops available right now.

This has been a moment of clarity for me. I'm all in on 2 door and always have been. My thought was that a 2 door without the rear seats installed (mine will be pulled ASAP) would actually have more cargo room behind the front seats than a 4 door will behind the rear seats, this really shows it.

For some reason I was thinking the rear tub area was the same but it's clearly shorter on 4 door.

 

[BigBronco1]

Interesting. Outside of a few trim pieces I can’t think of what the differences are between the 2 and 4. What other general items are you thinking?
Edit to add: yes I know the door is longer, hence the trim pieces.

Frame, drive shafts, flooring, seats, roll cage, fuel lines, brake lines, lighting wires...

 

[ZackDanger]

This has been a moment of clarity for me. I'm all in on 2 door and always have been. My thought was that a 2 door without the rear seats installed (mine will be pulled ASAP) would actually have more cargo room behind the front seats than a 4 door will behind the rear seats, this really shows it.

For some reason I was thinking the rear tub area was the same but it's clearly shorter on 4 door.

I'm not entirely following you, so I'm not sure whether your assessment is correct.

I would make sure you refer to both the published and measured distances from the back of the front seats to the rear gate on both the 2 and 4 doors.

Obviously the 4-door is longer, but where that length is matters. The rear seats are also mounted in different places depending on the number of doors... in front of the rear wheels in the case of the 4, and in-between the rear wheels in the case of the 2.

 

[Squatch]

I'm not entirely following you, so I'm not sure whether your assessment is correct.

I would make sure you refer to both the published and measured distances from the back of the front seats to the rear gate on both the 2 and 4 doors.

Obviously the 4-door is longer, but where that length is matters. The rear seats are also mounted in different places depending on the number of doors... in front of the rear wheels in the case of the 4, and in-between the rear wheels in the case of the 2.

Length: Behind Driver's seat of 2-door, without rear seats in > behind rear seats of 4-door

 

[Squatch]

Frame, drive shafts, flooring, seats, roll cage, fuel lines, brake lines, lighting wires...

Have you seen the doppelganger thread?

 

[ZackDanger]

Length: Behind Driver's seat of 2-door, without rear seats in > behind rear seats of 4-door

Ah yes! Got it. Yes. Correct. That is correct. Yes. Absolutely. Right. Correct. Nailed it.

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