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Had a '92. Loved it as well, last of the personal luxury cars. Sweet ride...
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I understand what youāre saying and I donāt disagree with your point. Iām just saying that just because you āhaveā money doesnāt mean you have to be stupid with it. I make good money, Iām still cheap as hell and Iāll spend 20 minutes looking for coupon codes so I can save $10 whenever I can. I donāt give away my money just because I have an excess of it.Rich folks may or may not be any more intelligent. It has nothing to do with that.
They have more money. Itās all relative.
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āProduce,ā is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Probably the same idiots paying $100k for a Bronco.
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Agree. I prefer the term "thrifty" as opposed to "Cheap" though...
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Amazing how "Commie" everyone becomes when all the sudden they don't agree with the free market economy.
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I can dig that! My wife would agree with that for sure.Agree. I prefer the term "thrifty" as opposed to "Cheap" though...
I donāt think most people here care about dealerships charging whatever adm they want on their general inventory. I personally only take issue when they use ābait and switchā tactics to *surprise* a reservation holder with a last minute $10,000 mark up. I can actually respect the dealers that are up front about it. I donāt like it but I understand it. But if youāve been reading these forums for a while you will know that some are not up front about it at all. Just because itās a move they can legally make (presumably) doesnāt mean itās ethical.
I have my dealer on record in email telling me they do not charge above sticker for reservations. The general sales manager confirmed this in conversation too. I also have a Retail Order form with the salesmanās name on it showing the āout the doorā price with no adm. And after some of the posts Iāve read on this forum, I am still a little anxious about how they could try some last minute trickery!
I have my dealer on record in email telling me they do not charge above sticker for reservations. The general sales manager confirmed this in conversation too. I also have a Retail Order form with the salesmanās name on it showing the āout the doorā price with no adm. And after some of the posts Iāve read on this forum, I am still a little anxious about how they could try some last minute trickery!
Yes, this is a completely different, and legitimate argument against "shady" dealerships. Shady is when you've got a buyer basically trapped and you change the terms on them. Shady is not when you advertise a car for over MSRP and someone walks in of their own choice and buys it.
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I wonder if this will help clear anything up. (Probably not.)
On the same forum (B6G), we've got one thread where dealers are being called scum for tacking on a 5K ADM to a Bronco, and we've got another thread where when asked how much you'd sell your Bronco for, people say "no way" at 20K (or even 30K!) profit.
Do people not grasp the idea that if you think the Bronco is so special (and scarce) to you that you're not willing to part with it for even a huge sum of money, dealers will not understand the EXACT SAME THING?!
On the same forum (B6G), we've got one thread where dealers are being called scum for tacking on a 5K ADM to a Bronco, and we've got another thread where when asked how much you'd sell your Bronco for, people say "no way" at 20K (or even 30K!) profit.
Do people not grasp the idea that if you think the Bronco is so special (and scarce) to you that you're not willing to part with it for even a huge sum of money, dealers will not understand the EXACT SAME THING?!
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With things you buy frequently or need special logistic considerations, like food or household supplies, it makes sense to have middlemen to manage the complexity of it for a small extra cost. Car dealerships are the opposite of that, they make a single purchase one makes every few years as expensive as possible to support a system that's obsolete and purposefully inefficient. It really cracks me up that people defend car dealerships as beacons of capitalism and the free market because most are just huge resistors in the flow of money.
The whole system could be replaced with a floor of kiosks in a manufacturer-owned service shop.
Yep, don't have any facts to back up your argument? Simple, just call anybody who disagrees with you a "commie" or "soshulist"! Problem solved!
Two separate things. Sure, we'd all probably love it if dealerships were replaced and we bought cars like toilet paper and got warranty and repair work from the manufacturer. (Have you tried that with your dishwasher?) But currently that is not the system, and we are not even close to abolishing the dealer system. So do dealers have the right to make money? Sure they do.
Some people are acting as if dealers are a monopoly. Put whatever price on a car and we have to pay it. Obviously not true at all. We can go to the next dealer in the town, state, or even across the country. So the dealer who advertisers a Bronco too high will just sit there with rigs being unsold. If the dealer prices the Bronco correctly for the current market, they will move a ton of them.
I don't like dealerships anymore than the next guy, and I hate negotiating, but this whole idea of dealers as bad guys for selling a scarce commodity at the going rate is crazy. You'd never sell your own car for a penny less it's worth.
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I agree
Buyers desire to minimize what they pay, and sellers want to maximize value of the transaction.
This isn't about dealerships or individuals, whatever role you play in the transaction, these are the goals
If the price increases were only bracketed to dealerships, some in here would have legitimate points, but the increases are near universal across the industry for new and used vehicles.
-The price increases would occur, even without dealerships, they would just have a more variable pricing model vs MSRP benchmark. Tesla has seen 20% increases in some of their models in 2021.
-The used car market prices increased 40% from 2020-2021.
-i just looked up my new BD on KBB and the used car trade in and private party prices are both greater than MSRP, what I paid a few weeks ago.
At the end, I think there are two natural tensions which exists, the buyer and seller interests...and they are not naturally aligned. Call it greed, call it bootlicking, call it whatever you want...but it is the current.aituation in much of the USA right now.
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