Why no V8 for Bronco Raptor - reason from Ford

[Snappy22]

10r60 confirmed.

Same combo on Explorer ST, right?
[edit: saw I missed the messages on this. Whoops!]

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[lobbs611]

The 3.0L always made the most sense. The Coyote has a terrible powerband (high revving, lack of low end torque) for a heavy SUV if it fits at all and still leaves room for the necessary cooling and crash protection but "V8 noises". The 3.5L is a completely different block and would require a lot more engineering to fit and produce.

 

[Kramku1]

What's wrong with the transmission it's been in the ranger for years does it have reliability issues?

 

[Kramku1]

Two door basesquatch on order

 

[Seahund]

Curious why the upgrade to towing capacity. Just the hp increase or wider stance?

Increased support & strength in rear end of the frame. Check out a couple of videos that came out the past few days and the diagram shows the added item.

 

[BC overlanding]

i know its been a minute. But im back!

my BIGGEST point of why i would MUCH rather have the 3.0 vs 5.0 is elevation!
most trails are a mile high plus.
n/a motor will loose 15%+ vs turbo.

also heres my guestination 430/430

How dare you make perfect sense sir.

 

[sledboy]

What's wrong with the transmission it's been in the ranger for years does it have reliability issues?

The transmission in the Ranger is the 10R80 transmission. The transmission in the Bronco is the 10R60. The one in the Ranger is the heavier duty transmission.

 

[sledboy]

They haven't fully explained why. But evidence suggests it has to do with the suspension and, as @FourHorses said, a beefier hitch receiver setup that allows for more tongue weight.

Definitely not horsepower or torque though. The Ranger has the same 2.3L EcoBoost that's in the Bronco and yet has a tow rating 7500 lbs. Granted, the Bronco is much heavier than the Ranger. But not 4,000 lbs heavier.

Would not at all be surprised if the tow rating change gets ported over to the "normal" Bronco during the mid-generation refresh that is rumored to happen in 2024/2025. Would be a good differentiator between the Bronco and Wrangler.

The Bronco Raptor also has the Fox Live Valve shocks. It makes sense to me that if the towing capacity in the regular Bronco was limited by the suspension that these Fox shocks could help significantly while towing. The shocks can adjust on the fly to current conditions. So if things start to get wonky with a trailer, the shocks can stiffen the appropriate shocks to help stabilize things. Also, they have a towing mode which I assume also sets the shocks appropriately to add more stability while towing. I see this as a possible reason why the Bronco Raptor has an increased towing capacity.

 

[DryYourTears]

Are Explorer ST's out there blowing transmissions constantly? I don't understand why folks are so bent out of shape about this.

Some will never be happy unless it comes with a C6 or a toploader.

 

[Bdisco]

but V8 is so murica, what about my precious ego?

F@c& yeah

 

[Laminar]

Are Explorer ST's out there blowing transmissions constantly? I don't understand why folks are so bent out of shape about this.

They're not. Tuned Explorers are easily pushing 500+ ft-lb through the stock trans. Some idiot posted some conjecture about what the "60" in 10R60 stands for and people ran with it, totally believing some internet BS and then repeating it without knowing what they're talking about. See below.

that's what i was thinking- i already read somewhere that the auto trans for the 2.7 really shouldn't get more than 400 ftlbs of torque going through it.

 

[rhymeswithbronco]

Ford doesn't even put a V8 in the F-150 Raptor. Why does anyone think they would put one in the Bronco Raptor??? I don't get this "logic".

Calling the Raptor a specialty vehicle is a stretch in my opinion. Limited production? Sure, but if you want a specialty Bronco, call up Gateway. I bet they'll build you one with whatever V8 your heart desires. Just understand that $100k is probably only going to secure your spot in line whereas that money will get you a very capable production vehicle with a warranty to boot.

 

[Exomodo]

2.7l or 3.o liter twin turbo motor has a very limited service life---maybe 80,000 miles before turbos need replacement? A 5.0 liter v8 can be serviced and rebuilt by engine shops all over the US...making a v8 bronco a long-term hold....imo...anything with a turbo will have a short service life....how much is a 2.7L to replace?

I've owned a half dozen turbocharged vehicles and have yet to replace a turbocharger in any of them due to failure. This may have been true back in the 60s when you were rolling ciggies into your t-shirt sleeve, but modern turbos usually outlast the vehicle. Stop spreading fake news.

 

[prospectfour]

Forgive me if I don’t care about what’s convenient for your assembly process when I’m shelling out $70-100k for a specialty vehicle.

What's convenient for their assembly process is why you're only paying $70k haha

 

[VelocityBrew]

Is it the same transmission as the standard Bronco? If so I'd be a little concerned....

You don't need a stout transmission if you make the axles the weak point

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