Whipple Tune for Bronco Raptor - Significant Technical Details Revealed

[Obiwan]

I should note that Ford can see this even if you don't take your vehicle in for service. The beauty of big brother onboard active telemetrics that the Raptor for sure uses, even if you opt out they can still monitor software and how they of course do OTA updates and what not.

I don't say this to scare anyone away from tunes, clearly by profession I am pro-tune, just to ensure everyone is educated and knows the risks.

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[swamp2]

A battle that anyone fighting would lose. Having been in the tuning world for decades it's rare that a lawsuit would be won when it comes to this type of modification. It's a simple equation, they will say they built the motor to safely tolerate a set amount of power /load and based solely on their fuel, timing, and safety protocols. Thus any modifications stressed said motor and drivetrain or changed / corrupted their programming and data parameters and caused any level of undesirable outcome.

Very hard to win this battle. For those who think they will simply return it to stock and go from there typically data that impacts the ECU is ghosted in the background and can be seen by Ford, typically not the dealer, but there can be flags. BMW often does this (fasta data) and can use the data to deny a claim but typically does not so as to keep their fan base intact, so it's a case by case scenario.

Some aftermarket companies have agreements with manufacturers and allows for some wiggle room. Which is why I ask if Whipple is working with Ford or not.

Good perspective and largely agree.

In this case Whipple is absolutely working with Ford since the PCM has not been cracked.

 

[Obiwan]

Good perspective and largely agree.

In this case Whipple is absolutely working with Ford since the PCM has not been cracked.

Good to hear and Ford should give them the seal of approval. Would encourage most folks to purchase no doubt if warranty was not impacted.

 

[T Copp]

I need to sell a house so I can buy this setup.

 

[swamp2]

Good to hear and Ford should give them the seal of approval. Would encourage most folks to purchase no doubt if warranty was not impacted.

This is where I see a conundrum. Ford is obviously giving Whipple the "keys to the vault" (likely literally - encryption keys) with deep access to the PCM. Yet at the same time, they could/likely would deny warranty claims for something perhaps, but in fact actually unlikely related, like a clutch going out or pre-ignition piston damage, etc.

It sounded like Ford was going to offer their own "equivalent" of this, with maybe a bit less power but with warranty. Rumors say they are pushing this out or now won't be offering.

 

[Obiwan]

This is where I see a conundrum. Ford is obviously giving Whipple the "keys the vault" (likely literally - encryption keys) with deep access to the PCM. Yet at the same time, they could/likely would deny warranty claims for something perhaps, but in fact actually unlikely related, like a clutch going out or pre-ignition piston damage, etc.

It sounded like Ford was going to offer their own "equivalent" of this, with maybe a bit less power but with warranty. Rumors say they are pushing this out or now won't be offering.

Curious, would love to know more on that. Their tune would tend to be a bit more conservative, but who knows, the 40hp bump the 2.7 got isn't bad for a factory tune. Also enabled some other features so guess we will see.

 

[Tye]

Good to hear and Ford should give them the seal of approval. Would encourage most folks to purchase no doubt if warranty was not impacted.

I asked them directly on this and their response was we use the same testing as Ford, as for the warranty that becomes a dealer discretion

 

[raptorusmaximus]

I talked to someone at ford performance the other day asking when the 3.0 tune will arrive and he said ford is on the fence weather they will do a tune for the bronco raptor or not. It sounds like it was alot of testing and having to jump through hoops like CARB etc. He was pretty clear I shouldn't hold my breath for a factory tune like the 2.3/2.7.

 

[Losy]

is the intercooler necessary to run this tune? Together do they add the max performance?

 

[swamp2]

is the intercooler necessary to run this tune? Together do they add the max performance?

Intercooler is not required. I've not seen an apples to apples comparison of power with and w/o intercooler.

 

[Losy]

Intercooler is not required. I've not seen an apples to apples vkmoatidon of power with and w/o intercooler.

Thanks.

 

[TurboS]

Ford hasn't decided to make a tune for the raptor, in fact they are leaning toward no. As for warrenty, they need to prove the tune caused any issues you may have. I would check with your service manager and make sure they're tune friendly.......some are not.

Something to keep in mind, our Raptors came with Ford Performance tuning with extensive testing, the Bronco 2.3 & 2.7 has Ford tuning. Ford Performance may not anticipate enough value in offering another FP tune for the Raptor.

 

[Gregger]

Something to keep in mind, our Raptors came with Ford Performance tuning with extensive testing, the Bronco 2.3 & 2.7 has Ford tuning. Ford Performance may not anticipate enough value in offering another FP tune for the Raptor.

Ford also worked directly with Whipple to build this tune. Whipple is the only company Ford granted access to so in reality, this is the Ford Performance tune in a round about way.

 

[Defyfate11]

No, not at all. Read the post again.

I'm reasonably sure peak (modified via Whipple tune) power is available in all modes. That said just like with stock modes each will feel different.

I installed my Whipple Supercharger Tune stage 1 with 58 miles on the Odometer, after about 1,000 miles on the Odometer, I unlocked the Sport mode for my FE and will tell you that it I instantly noticed a new power boost almost as equal as the initial tune. I love my tune and use sport mode for trips of more than 30miles long. Better MPG and just more responsive. I have pegged it to 120mph down the highway (I mean racetrack) with a IKamper 3.0 for a good 5-10 miles. The transmission shift points were a much noticeable improvement in normal mode for sure. By far one of my favorite upgrades for my daily driver.

 

[swamp2]

I installed my Whipple Supercharger Tune stage 1 with 58 miles on the Odometer, after about 1,000 miles on the Odometer, I unlocked the Sport mode for my FE and will tell you that it I instantly noticed a new power boost almost as equal as the initial tune. I love my tune and use sport mode for trips of more than 30miles long. Better MPG and just more responsive. I have pegged it to 120mph down the highway (I mean racetrack) with a IKamper 3.0 for a good 5-10 miles. The transmission shift points were a much noticeable improvement in normal mode for sure. By far one of my favorite upgrades for my daily driver.

So, it sounds like you believe that different modes have different peak power, correct?

I certainly do not have data to prove it, but that said, I'd be willing to bet titles on it. I'll bet you titles that Broncos produce the same peak hp in all modes (perhaps excluding Eco).

Through the combination of the other things that are set, primarily the pedal mapping, secondarily, trans shift points and firmness, suspension stiffness and even exhaust loudness, your truck simply feels faster. But again, it is not faster nor does it make more power. You do know what a pedal remap does, yes? It means that in Sport Mode, at low throttle and a given small pedal position, the actual throttle is open more than in normal mode.

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