One part of this is the public investment, the other private. Caddy just culled dealers that didn't want to sign up for their EV program that had a minimum investment of $250K. This included facilities, training and charging. It feels like the dealer body is being forced to indirectly subsidize the charging infrastructure for the mfgrs. They will say we have a choice to do or not do, but the reality is my franchise is basically dead if I don't. It's one thing to say we have to put chargers in, which I'm not fighting and there are tax credits that lessen the burden. My big issue is experts in both the private and public energy sphere have been saying we can't produce and deliver enough energy with our current infrastructure (California), much less even think about adding millions of mega watts of additional load. To me this feels like the opposite of Field of Dreams. Building the cars is the easy part of the equation, getting the foundation to support them is monumentally more difficult. It's not like there's a unified electric plan from state to state. Again, Cali and most recently, Texas are examples of huge states with problems that will have to get resolved before people don't have "range anxiety" at the top of the list as a reason for not buying an EV.In a capitalist system, demand typically drags supply along behind it kicking and screaming. It happened with paved roads and gasoline stations in the early 20th century after automobiles became popular. It also happened in the early 21st century with broadband, fiber optics, and cell phone towers when cell phones and the Internet became popular. It will happen with EV infrastructure, too.
Few capital investments are made without knowing there will be sufficient demand to produce a return on the capital, and the ones that do happen without visible returns on the horizon often go bankrupt and liquidate while waiting for demand to catch up, and that removes excess capacity from the market.
This is what my municipal utility guy said. Basically, hotels, businesses, restaurants will be easier for them to deal with. The major issue will be neighborhoods, especially older ones, that have service that was put in 30+ years ago. Before we even show an EV I guess we'll have to send an electrician to a persons home to make sure they have at least 200A service and their box isn't full.My house would require a full rewire to support another 240 plug. At a cost of somewhere around $25k.
Now my house was wired in the 50's and then remodeled in the 70's to 2 separate living spaces. But still, I can only level 1 charge at home now unless I want to spend an additional $25k.
You should just be able to upgrade the service and meter to the house without a need to re-wire everything. Worst case is maybe a new panel as well? Unless, since you are upgrading the service they make you bring everything else in the house up to current code, maybe? I wonder if you could get away with adding a second service to the house or garage, that way you aren't touching the existing?My house would require a full rewire to support another 240 plug. At a cost of somewhere around $25k.
Now my house was wired in the 50's and then remodeled in the 70's to 2 separate living spaces. But still, I can only level 1 charge at home now unless I want to spend an additional $25k.
Exactly… demand typically drags supply along behind it kicking and screaming.One part of this is the public investment, the other private. Caddy just culled dealers that didn't want to sign up for their EV program that had a minimum investment of $250K. This included facilities, training and charging. It feels like the dealer body is being forced to indirectly subsidize the charging infrastructure for the mfgrs. They will say we have a choice to do or not do, but the reality is my franchise is basically dead if I don't. It's one thing to say we have to put chargers in, which I'm not fighting and there are tax credits that lessen the burden. My big issue is experts in both the private and public energy sphere have been saying we can't produce and deliver enough energy with our current infrastructure (California), much less even think about adding millions of mega watts of additional load. To me this feels like the opposite of Field of Dreams. Building the cars is the easy part of the equation, getting the foundation to support them is monumentally more difficult. It's not like there's a unified electric plan from state to state. Again, Cali and most recently, Texas are examples of huge states with problems that will have to get resolved before people don't have "range anxiety" at the top of the list as a reason for not buying an EV.
It all feels like we are doing this out of order. The mfgrs are all trying to one up each other's policy wokeness as to who is going to kill the ICE first. I don't want to get into politics but when the .gov has these massive party and policy changes, dangle billions of dollars in front of CEO's to change course, they absolutely loose their minds and take a short sighted position.
There are many facets to this conversation especially a long term plan so we don't stuck in the middle of some green dream that will get shut down like the border wall when the political pendulum swings the other way. I like stability and plans, both seem to be in short supply these days.
Toyota is pushing back.One part of this is the public investment, the other private. Caddy just culled dealers that didn't want to sign up for their EV program that had a minimum investment of $250K. This included facilities, training and charging. It feels like the dealer body is being forced to indirectly subsidize the charging infrastructure for the mfgrs. They will say we have a choice to do or not do, but the reality is my franchise is basically dead if I don't. It's one thing to say we have to put chargers in, which I'm not fighting and there are tax credits that lessen the burden. My big issue is experts in both the private and public energy sphere have been saying we can't produce and deliver enough energy with our current infrastructure (California), much less even think about adding millions of mega watts of additional load. To me this feels like the opposite of Field of Dreams. Building the cars is the easy part of the equation, getting the foundation to support them is monumentally more difficult. It's not like there's a unified electric plan from state to state. Again, Cali and most recently, Texas are examples of huge states with problems that will have to get resolved before people don't have "range anxiety" at the top of the list as a reason for not buying an EV.
It all feels like we are doing this out of order. The mfgrs are all trying to one up each other's policy wokeness as to who is going to kill the ICE first. I don't want to get into politics but when the .gov has these massive party and policy changes, dangle billions of dollars in front of CEO's to change course, they absolutely loose their minds and take a short sighted position.
There are many facets to this conversation especially a long term plan so we don't stuck in the middle of some green dream that will get shut down like the border wall when the political pendulum swings the other way. I like stability and plans, both seem to be in short supply these days.
Exactly. I've got a Mach E and I love it. It's designed to be charged primarily at home or work, with the odd level 3 charging on a road trip. And on a route between Boston and NY, it should have been incredibly easy for this guy to plan a safe trip with abundant options for charging. Ford's own navigation system within the Mach E will do this for you, but there are also plenty of third party options like PlugShare, ABRP, etc.Driver is an idiot. When you take an ev on the road you need to plan on your route. Btw … Tesla owners do the same when they take their cars on a long trip.
Tennessee, too…Colorado's getting EV chargers at all its state parks, but I'm still not waiting on an electric Bronco.
Bingo. Around here, a service upgrade brings out the inspectors and their red tags, bringing the house up to code would be required. I know several people who have got around this by adding a new separate service to their shop/garage.You should just be able to upgrade the service and meter to the house without a need to re-wire everything. Worst case is maybe a new panel as well? Unless, since you are upgrading the service they make you bring everything else in the house up to current code, maybe? I wonder if you could get away with adding a second service to the house or garage, that way you aren't touching the existing?
Thank you, there is always a way. You beat me to it.Around here, a service upgrade brings out the inspectors and their red tags, bringing the house up to code would be required. I know several people who have got around this by adding a new separate service to their shop/garage.