More Initial Impressions with slightly different perspective

[Xploit]

Lucky you on getting to see them in person!! I'm scheduled to see them April 24th at an event in the Chicagoland area, so I'm excited!! I ordered a Big Bend Velocity Blue 4DR from Granger!!

Me too.. @ villa park!

Sponsored

 

[mdepll]

A couple of points on this:

• Agree with you completely and had assumed Bronco steering wheel would be cheap leather. The leather steering wheel on Ranger is also an extremely cheep and horrible imitation of what leather should look/feel like. Expect if that bothers you, you will be spending $100 on a proper wheel wrap and re-doing it.
• Interesting you felt MGV was "cheap". It doesn't feel like leather (which it doesn't pretend to be), but felt exactly like a quality MGV IMHO.
• Interesting you felt Jeep materials were higher grade. I have not felt a current generation Jeep, but a neighbor has some sort of jeep and that thing feels roached out with Chernobyl-grade plastics and switchgear from Home Depot (sorry, to me all 9 generations of nearly identical Jeeps, I can't tell them apart). She bought it new within the past 7-8 years)
• A quick reminder again, again, here in the year 2021, a $50,000 transaction-price vehicle is not anywhere near what the average person is equating it to. In fact, Bronco prices haven't really moved since 1980.....
  • Below i've adjusted each generation for inflation. This part of your argument just doesn't hold water. Sorry.

From the thread: https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...n-styling-performance-size-price.11209/page-5

It absolutely blows my mind that the Bronco is as cheap as it is. The increased safety content, technology and engineering prowess put into the 6th generation is unbelievable compared to any other generation, and at a price that compares to 1980 pricing.

For the folks complaining about how expensive Bronco is, the inflation-adjusted base price in today's dollars for each generation is listed below. One can also infer that as you go up trim level and add content, the prices will continue to climb. For every dope on here who spouts off something along the lines of "If they are going to get me to buy a $50K Bronco, it better darn well do (insert outlandish claim here)", I think of these prices, and how utterly stupid arguments are that somehow $50K in 2020 (or 2022 ) is somehow an astronomically expensive vehicle.


1st gen:

2nd Gen:

3rd Gen:

4th gen:

5th Gen:

6th Gen:

For me, a black diamond in Canada came in at $67K in Canada. That's expensive to me but I haven't honesty shopped other comparable suv's recently

 

[RedHotFuzz]

It absolutely blows my mind that the Bronco is as cheap as it is. The increased safety content, technology and engineering prowess put into the 6th generation is unbelievable compared to any other generation, and at a price that compares to 1980 pricing.

So true. For those of us who have been around awhile, inflation on big-ticket items can be difficult to fully understand and accept. A few years ago I bought a unicorn '98 one-owner Nissan Maxima SE in cherry condition with 68k (!!!) miles for my kids to drive. It was almost a showroom car. (Of course some moron changed lanes into me on the freeway, spinning me out, totaling the car and almost killing me.) The original sticker was in the glovebox. $30k. In 1998. That would make it a $48k vehicle in 2021 dollars, which is almost exactly what I'll be paying for my BD Bronco. Yet the differences between the two vehicles is laughable in power, technology, safety equipment and convenience/comfort features.

Ditto the '83 Landcruiser wagon my dad bought new in 1983 for....$13k! Which sounds like a screaming deal until you realize that's $34k in 2021 dollars, and the thing was a bare-bones tin can with zero amenities. A $34k Bronco today is light-years better than that Landcruiser in every measurable way except, perhaps, in long-term reliability. (The complexity of today's powertrains don't make for great million-mile vehicles.)

We really are getting more than we're paying for compared to our parents, and their parents before them, and their parents before them...

 

[broadicustomworks]

So true. For those of us who have been around awhile, inflation on big-ticket items can be difficult to fully understand and accept. A few years ago I bought a unicorn '98 one-owner Nissan Maxima SE in cherry condition with 68k (!!!) miles for my kids to drive. It was almost a showroom car. (Of course some moron changed lanes into me on the freeway, spinning me out, totaling the car and almost killing me.) The original sticker was in the glovebox. $30k. In 1998. That would make it a $48k vehicle in 2021 dollars, which is almost exactly what I'll be paying for my BD Bronco. Yet the differences between the two vehicles is laughable in power, technology, safety equipment and convenience/comfort features.

Ditto the '83 Landcruiser wagon my dad bought new in 1983 for....$13k! Which sounds like a screaming deal until you realize that's $34k in 2021 dollars, and the thing was a bare-bones tin can with zero amenities. A $34k Bronco today is light-years better than that Landcruiser in every measurable way except, perhaps, in long-term reliability. (The complexity of today's powertrains don't make for great million-mile vehicles.)

We really are getting more than we're paying for compared to our parents, and their parents before them, and their parents before them...

We are. I guess taking a pause and looking at the comparable prices in today's dollars really puts in in perspective.
It's like seeing those postcards and such that say how much things were the year you were born kinda thing.
I guess perspective for me is that it honestly doesn't feel like that long ago when a $700/mo. house payment was a lot of moola. Or a $400/Mo. car note put you in a really nice vehicle.
I guess it really is decades later and it just doesn't feel like it should be.
I know pay doesn't feel like it has increased with the rate of inflation in a lot of areas.
In some sectors/professions it has but others are still making 1995 wages, maybe a buck or two more an hour.

So yeah, you and Rick are on to something. It just takes a different way of looking at it I guess.

 

[North7]

I am confused to, I mean if you want bigger and fancier, this is not the rig at all. It seems people want rugged, outside, but completely plush inside, small outside footprint, with huge interior space. Lol, usually the same guys who also cant wait to lift and and only want the sasquatch, and wonder why its so big.

I for one never asked for a "plush inside" interior, I think what people don't understand, some of just don't want:

1. A cheap plastic dash that cracks in a few years.
2. A cheap leather covered steering wheel, if it even has one, don't care, that does not fall apart in a few years.
3. Seats that don't sag when new, as we have seen in many of the photos.
   

 

[Xploit]

+1. The 30k base (which I'll be getting) provides the owner the key attributes of open top/doors off/4wd to have fun exploring. I mean that is what separates the vehicle from most every other vehicle out there now (besides Wrangler). We finally will have another open top 4x4 - thank you Ford.

Ford would like to upsell the higher optioned models, which is understandable. But I'm not sure how much lux buyers should expect in that regard. There are other vehicles more squarely aimed at lux buyers that might be a better fit.

Yeah I agree with you on the lux part... I would probably just get a new defender if wanting a great interior was a primary need. The reviews so far have been great and the build and materials are up there. The appeal of this bronco (tom me) is purpose built. I also really like removing the doors and top.

 

[Rcarpen22]

A couple of points on this:

• Agree with you completely and had assumed Bronco steering wheel would be cheap leather. The leather steering wheel on Ranger is also an extremely cheep and horrible imitation of what leather should look/feel like. Expect if that bothers you, you will be spending $100 on a proper wheel wrap and re-doing it.
• Interesting you felt MGV was "cheap". It doesn't feel like leather (which it doesn't pretend to be), but felt exactly like a quality MGV IMHO.
• Interesting you felt Jeep materials were higher grade. I have not felt a current generation Jeep, but a neighbor has some sort of jeep and that thing feels roached out with Chernobyl-grade plastics and switchgear from Home Depot (sorry, to me all 9 generations of nearly identical Jeeps, I can't tell them apart). She bought it new within the past 7-8 years)
• A quick reminder again, again, here in the year 2021, a $50,000 transaction-price vehicle is not anywhere near what the average person is equating it to. In fact, Bronco prices haven't really moved since 1980.....
  • Below i've adjusted each generation for inflation. This part of your argument just doesn't hold water. Sorry.

A few thoughts: I was not at all trying to argue anything objectively. I was merely providing my impressions. I’m sure you’re right that Broncos are priced well when adjusted for inflation. My point is that I am not willing to pay more for higher trims because I did not believe the quality of materials justifies the cost for those options. Again, I think the base is a great deal and I’ll be buying one. I think the comparison to the Jeep mainly centers around the quality of the leather steering wheel and the feel of the switch gear. Again, totally subjective. The bottom line is that I did not make any arguments. I simply stated that the Badlands, as optioned, did not feel like a $50k vehicle to me. Therefore, I won’t buy a Badlands. Also, regarding the MGV, you make a good point. I’m not a boat guy and I don’t really know what good quality MGV is supposed to feel like. So, the takeaway there is that maybe I just don’t love MGV in general.

 

[Rick Astley]

A few thoughts: I was not at all trying to argue anything objectively. I was merely providing my impressions. I’m sure you’re right that Broncos are priced well when adjusted for inflation. My point is that I am not willing to pay more for higher trims because I did not believe the quality of materials justifies the cost for those options. Again, I think the base is a great deal and I’ll be buying one. I think the comparison to the Jeep mainly centers around the quality of the leather steering wheel and the feel of the switch gear. Again, totally subjective. The bottom line is that I did not make any arguments. I simply stated that the Badlands, as optioned, did not feel like a $50k vehicle to me. Therefore, I won’t buy a Badlands. Also, regarding the MGV, you make a good point. I’m not a boat guy and I don’t really know what good quality MGV is supposed to feel like. So, the takeaway there is that maybe I just don’t love MGV in general.

The big take away from all this is: You will need to buy a boat to haul with the Bronco.



HA HA!!! FYI: Wasn't arguing against you. Just giving some alternate views to some of your bullets.

If you're going Base, it's one hell of a deal. There is an argument to be made that the Base Bronco, no-cost-options rig at $28K is possibly the most compelling and capable new vehicle available under $30K in any class by any OEM. Obviously YYMV when it comes to how you like your car to look or feel.

 

[Gamecock]

I for one never asked for a "plush inside" interior, I think what people don't understand, some of just don't want:

1. A cheap plastic dash that cracks in a few years.
2. A cheap leather covered steering wheel, if it even has one, don't care, that does not fall apart in a few years.
3. Seats that don't sag when new, as we have seen in many of the photos.

Yeah, I don't think anyone wants those things...but speculating that Bronco has those things really has no foundation until we have some validity in a "few years".

My FJ interior felt WAY inferior to my Lexus LX570 interior....but the FJ interior held up WAY better and looked better at the end. Not even close. It cracked me up when someone earlier on this thread posted about the "rugged" but high end Land Cruiser (a Toyota badged LX570)...that interior looked great and was luxurious, but held up like complete crap. Hopefully Bronco interior is built with durability in mind, and I see nothing that makes me think it isn't...although I hadn't seen the sinking seats you referred to. It doesn't worry me much though as probably pre-production...I think Ford can probably build seast with appropriate anti-sag construction by now.

 

[MorgansRun]

Are people comparing a $50k Bronco interior quality to a $50k Wrangler or a $50k BMW X3 or Mercedes GLC300?

 

[SmilesPerGallon]

Interesting you felt Jeep materials were higher grade. I have not felt a current generation Jeep, but a neighbor has some sort of jeep and that thing feels roached out with Chernobyl-grade plastics and switchgear from Home Depot (sorry, to me all 9 generations of nearly identical Jeeps, I can't tell them apart). She bought it new within the past 7-8 years)

She most likely has a JK/JKU which is 07-18 with refresh in 12-13. My JKU interior feels and looks like it was designed in 07. My JLU interior which is also a base model feels and looks much better. Still feels utilitarian in a way but I like that feeling about both the JKU and the JLU. To be fair though I wheel my JKU harder than I think most people do for a base model and the interior is now 6 years old and has 110k on it and when I clean it, it looks just like the day it rolled of the lot with little to no wear on the plastic other than scratches which I have put in it. I hope that the Bronco forces Jeep to step up there game some more and I'm excited to finally see some out on the trails and maybe sit in on first hand rather than just being a keyboard warrior with no hands on experience of the competition.

 

[JBoi-ET]

Are people comparing a $50k Bronco interior quality to a $50k Wrangler or a $50k BMW X3 or Mercedes GLC300?

We can compare it to my wife's $40K Kia and there is no comparison, Kia is far better and I never thought I would say that. I wouldn't say the interior of the GLC300 is that great either as my wife chose her 2020 Kia over the newly redesigned 2020 GLE350 and older 2019 GLS450. Almost 2 years later and the interior still looks new with two kids.

 

[mattyzx3]

Yeah, I'm starting to second guess my purchase. Lots of reports of cheap quality interior materials... My Bronco build is more expensive than a mid level Defender 90. While it could be argued the Defender is not as capable, I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting what I'm paying for....

I know, I know, it's all about the capability and they are not directed towards the same consumers, but I really don't want to be paying 70k for Ford Escape quality materials... maybe I expected too much...

 

[5280Bronco]

Yeah, I'm starting to second guess my purchase. Lots of reports of cheap quality interior materials... My Bronco build is more expensive than a mid level Defender 90. While it could be argued the Defender is not as capable, I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting what I'm paying for....

I know, I know, it's all about the capability and they are not directed towards the same consumers, but I really don't want to be paying 70k for Ford Escape quality materials... maybe I expected too much...

Completely understand. I also saw the 70k number and was confused until i saw you are in Canada.

 

[NVCowboy]

Noticing your cup holder photo - does it have inserts that can be removed for cleaning? With the textured bottom, they will become filth magnets unless the insert can be removed and washed.

1. Never seen a newer Ford w/o liners, but I’ve been wrong before.
2. Yup. If ya look at the right hand cup holder, there is a pull tab at the bottom of the cup. The liner isn’t a full cup design, but those tend to stick to large mugs.

Sponsored