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Just the highlights... Jeep mileage, on and off road, under 12mpg. Because it's a hybrid, Fiat put a smaller fuel tank in it. I guess not the ideal overland platform.
And then a slew of MIL's... Losses 4 wheel drive...
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This is in my queue to watch when I have a quiet moment. Brad has been pretty amped up about that 4xe for a while now.
 

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Did you guys catch that the problem with the Bronco he had in his last video was the loose battery/fusebox/negative bolts? I've been anxiously waiting to see what he discovered about his charging.


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The title of that latest video, I thought for sure it was going to be the Bronco lighting up the dash warnings.... So I was relieved when it was the Wrangler.
 
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Surprised and not surprised that the Bronco gets substantially better MPG. I really fear the day when Jeep goes through with that atrocious charging network across our beautiful overland/4x4 trails because of the horrific mileage range on these hybrids.
 

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Looks like these guys are learning what thousands of Europeans have already found out - that plugin hybrids are a neither fish nor fowl dead end in automotive design concepts. They’re supposed to marry the convenience of ICE with the environmental friendliness of EV. But aside from a very specific scenario - daily overnight charging with a short commute that fits a very limited range window - plugins are a hopelessly compromised package combining all the disadvantages of ICE and EV. The weight and complexity of carrying two separate powertrains independently capable of running the car means that outside of the optimal use case, they are more expensive/less reliable/burn more fuel than an ICE while having paltry range compared to a pure EV. As soon as legislators close the overstated mpg loophole on these things they will go the way of the Wankel. The future of passenger cars will be in pure EVs and mild hybrids which plug gaps in ICE efficiency without the weight or complexity of a complete parallel drivetrain. The real world 35 mpg of a base Maverick is a great example of what a hybrid truck can achieve when you don’t overthink it.
 
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The product placements in these videos are so obvious. Looks like a good time though.
 

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Looks like these guys are learning what thousands of Europeans have already found out - that plugin hybrids are a neither fish nor fowl dead end in automotive design concepts. They’re supposed to marry the convenience of ICE with the environmental friendliness of EV. But aside from a very specific scenario - daily overnight charging with a short commute that fits a very limited range window - plugins are a hopelessly compromised package combining all the disadvantages of ICE and EV. The weight and complexity of carrying two separate powertrains independently capable of running the car means that outside of the optimal use case, they are more expensive/less reliable/burn more fuel than an ICE while having paltry range compared to a pure EV. As soon as legislators close the overstated mpg loophole on these things they will go the way of the Wankel. The future of passenger cars will be in pure EVs and mild hybrids which plug gaps in ICE efficiency without the weight or complexity of a complete parallel drivetrain. The real world 35 mpg of a base Maverick is a great example of what a hybrid truck can achieve when you don’t overthink it.
I have a hybrid aviator 22 mile electric only range for my wife and she has a 9 mile commute each way to work. It's a perfect solution for us as about 60% of our mileage is electric on that car. But I do agree it's only a good option for people with short commutes under 10 miles etc ..
 

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When I had my JK I would read the Jeep forums.

Two things that kept coming up were;
You don't buy a jeep for mpg.
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How can I carry extra fuel?
 

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Brad's videos have been pretty subjective on the Bronco, especially since he is a huge Jeep guy and always has been. Quite impressed that he is as non-biased as he is. You can tell, however, that he is not "committed" to the Bronco... No lighting, winch etc... that you see on his other rigs. Though I don't blame him, as he is a Jeep guy, it will be interesting to see what he does with it longer term.
 

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I have a hybrid aviator 22 mile electric only range for my wife and she has a 9 mile commute each way to work. It's a perfect solution for us as about 60% of our mileage is electric on that car. But I do agree it's only a good option for people with short commutes under 10 miles etc ..
My wife has a 1.25 mile commute. Every day it kills me that she has to start and run cold cycle, to and from work. I am not sure what post pandemic driving is shaping up to look like, but that short commute during the week, range anxiety/weekend use was a big barrier to entry for consumers for pure electric. My wife will be looking at a plug in hybrid (or full EV) in her next vehicle. My personal opinion, informed by a non-engineers review of several engineering studies is, the full electric is the most "dead end" design. Net, energy and emissions, it just doesn't make sense without nuclear. As we continue to try and get off fossil fuels, the process and distribution of electric power and the lack of reliable and abundant alternatives to gas and oil just don't add up. Hydrogen? Probably the more likely solution currently.
 

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There was chatter in the video comments about the 4A setting and that being the likely cause of the issues in the 4XE.

When TFL did the Bronco/4XE comparison with running the 4XE in full electric on the trail, I think they only made it a few miles in electric only.
 

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I drove the 4xe for a year. Had perfect conditions for it with a 15mi commute. Even though I was in full electric range easily I ended up with 24mpg average getting up to hwy speeds. Biggest problem was that it's more of a summer hybrid, anytime it's remotely chilly outside it kicks straight into fuel refresh mode and runs ice 100% of the time. I got it more for the extra hp/torq but I hated the way that it added it - choppy and jerky with the combined motors, I really don't understand how the reviews could describe it as smooth.

Best investment I ever made though. With the 7500 credit + jeeps price increase I came out 12k ahead when the Bronco arrived.
 

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My wife has a 1.25 mile commute. Every day it kills me that she has to start and run cold cycle, to and from work. I am not sure what post pandemic driving is shaping up to look like, but that short commute during the week, range anxiety/weekend use was a big barrier to entry for consumers for pure electric. My wife will be looking at a plug in hybrid (or full EV) in her next vehicle. My personal opinion, informed by a non-engineers review of several engineering studies is, the full electric is the most "dead end" design. Net, energy and emissions, it just doesn't make sense without nuclear. As we continue to try and get off fossil fuels, the process and distribution of electric power and the lack of reliable and abundant alternatives to gas and oil just don't add up. Hydrogen? Probably the more likely solution currently.
I've never understood how hydrogen could be better then battery or ICE. It's not as if we can drill into the massive pure hydrogen reserves laying around somewhere. Hydrogen requires a ton of energy to produce, then you have to ship it which is inefficient and requires pipes that won't be corroded by the hydrogen, finally the compression ratios used to store hydrogen in are insanely high. 10k psi in the case of the Toyota Mirai. Average deep ocean pressures are 3k to 9k with the Mariana trench winning the prize at 15k.
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