Clutch & Cylinder Failed at less than 900 miles. Dealer denied warranty claim

[BadlandsA51]

The only location in MY'21 that offered the manual was the Texas BOR. The same location that is used for the Bronco Sport. Did all the Manual Kings forget how a clutch operates?

It's always the same argument when there is a problem with the clutch. People always attest that they have driven a manual for X number of years as if the greater that X is, it implies they are infallible. Yet, those Manual Kings were months from BOR.

That is why warranty on clutches is looked at so closely. There is way too much opportunity for people who don’t know how to drive one properly to smoke one while learning how to drive one. And along with the clutches are the transmission behind them.

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[kodiakisland]

And, the clutch could have came apart due to shifting to too low of a gear. That could happen on a 5-4 downshift where, instead of 4th, the trans would have pulled into 2nd. That would overspeed the clutch disc and throw the friction facings off. If the driver realized he was in the wrong gear as he released the pedal and stopped before the engine over-revved, there wouldn’t be an overrev DTC stored in the PCM, but the clutch is still destroyed.

First time my BIL drove my Bronco he did a 1-C shift instead of a 1-2 shift. That was a hard jolt to everything and most likely an overrev. That was 40K miles ago and the clutch is still going strong. Seems in my case one time was not enough to cook the clutch.

 

[cbrenthus]

That is why warranty on clutches is looked at so closely. There is way too much opportunity for people who don’t know how to drive one properly to smoke one while learning how to drive one. And along with the clutches are the transmission behind them.

My Ford sales guy told me the reason manuals are going away in high powered vehicles is not just lack of demand, but because the engines are getting so powerful and coupled with less people being able to drive manuals, the manufacturers don't want to pay warranty claims.

I can't say its a fact, just something I heard from a guy, but it certainly is plausible.

 

[Bronco21Maybe]

My Ford sales guy told me the reason manuals are going away in high powered vehicles is not just lack of demand, but because the engines are getting so powerful and coupled with less people being able to drive manuals, the manufacturers don't want to pay warranty claims.

I can't say its a fact, just something I heard from a guy, but it certainly is plausible.

That makes sense, even coming from a sales guy.

 

[Q1svt]

@gatorjohn not sure where you are at in the journey, but this may be helpful

Here is a video on the R&R B's manual trans by a dealer tech

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/high-mileage-7mt-clutch-life.123705/

Here is some numbers from a dealer tech here at B6G

 

[Roger123]

My Ford sales guy told me the reason manuals are going away in high powered vehicles is not just lack of demand, but because the engines are getting so powerful and coupled with less people being able to drive manuals, the manufacturers don't want to pay warranty claims.

I can't say its a fact, just something I heard from a guy, but it certainly is plausible.

Drink! Those that have been here since the beginning will get the reference.

 

[vrtical]

Thats worse than the one I smoked out of my race car with 25k on it

 

[MadMan4BamaNATL]

I realize nobody is going to say they can't drive a manual great, but I've had 4-5 manual cars / SUVs / Trucks over the years, and never had a clutch replacement at less than 150k miles....

For one to go out on a brand new car in less than 1k miles to me is just bonkers -- even if they were a terrible driver. I'm not disputing the clutch is burnt up, but under 900 miles with a seasoned manual driver without some kind of manufacturer defect?

Math ain't mathin in your story friend. (new development here on the forum with a new guy, I know).

Appears you CAN NOT drive a manual properly and once replaced, take a driving course to relearn the skill.

No telling what you did to this Bronco, but it wasn't driving it normally.

Come on man. Thank you drive around!

 

[AZ_Liberty]

@gatorjohn not sure where you are at in the journey, but this may be helpful

Here is a video on the R&R B's manual trans by a dealer tech

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/high-mileage-7mt-clutch-life.123705/

Here is some numbers from a dealer tech here at B6G

That seems about right. Just dropped a clutch in the daughter's stubaru and it cost $2600. Extra labor on an AWD or 4WD vehicle. Mustang was less than half of that.

 

[BadlandsA51]

My Ford sales guy told me the reason manuals are going away in high powered vehicles is not just lack of demand, but because the engines are getting so powerful and coupled with less people being able to drive manuals, the manufacturers don't want to pay warranty claims.

I can't say its a fact, just something I Most of the decline in manual transmission heard from a guy, but it certainly is plausible.

Much of decline in manual transmission offerings with all manufacturers is the decline in demand. They build what sells. Modern automatic transmissions with lock-up torque converters have pretty much done away with the perceived fuel economy advantages of manuals. And the emergence of paddle shifters still allows driver interaction with the car, like a manual transmission does.

 

[michelle227]

Much of decline in manual transmission offerings with all manufacturers is the decline in demand. They build what sells. Modern automatic transmissions with lock-up torque converters have pretty much done away with the perceived fuel economy advantages of manuals. And the emergence of paddle shifters still allows driver interaction with the car, like a manual transmission does.

MOST people buy off the lot. MOST dealers dont spec a manual for stock, and too many of those that do option them in the crappiest way possible. And because the stock sucked donkey balls, they claim no interest, which leads the manufacturer to screw the enthusiasts and drop the manual. The reality is that few people have the patience to order and wait, so they took what was on the lot. It's also why so many have bland colors.

When mine came off the truck, everyone from the truck driver on down bemoaned how manuals are out there. Shop guy told the sales staff they need to order more with a stick.

And, NO, paddle shifters do NOT provide anywhere near an equivalent driving experience. Ill actually take an '85 Yugo over a brand new slushbox. I've only bought one vehicle (aside from my first car) with a slushbox and it was hoped to be a compromise between the Miata and the F350 since it was a floor shift center console Grand Marquis. I still have that car, but it's nowhere near the same as a stick...

Had the Bronco not been available with a manual, I would not have one in my driveway.

 

[23OBX2.7]

I grew up driving Ford MT from the age of 12 on the farm and massively abused MTs ....we never lost or wore out a clutch.

Just another Ford defect from its lowest bidder vendor practice and ongoing refusal of covering warranty liability in its new realm of hyper active ignore, delay, dismiss, deny, and remedy process that takes multiple dealer vists to get warranty refusals VS cash paid work that takes one visit.

Imhave always asssumed clutches have zero warranty, just like brakes but when it disintegrates its clearly a defect and safety hazard that warrants a complaint to NHTSA.

 

[BadlandsA51]

MOST people buy off the lot. MOST dealers dont spec a manual for stock, and too many of those that do option them in the crappiest way possible. And because the stock sucked donkey balls, they claim no interest, which leads the manufacturer to screw the enthusiasts and drop the manual. The reality is that few people have the patience to order and wait, so they took what was on the lot. It's also why so many have bland colors.

When mine came off the truck, everyone from the truck driver on down bemoaned how manuals are out there. Shop guy told the sales staff they need to order more with a stick.

And, NO, paddle shifters do NOT provide anywhere near an equivalent driving experience. Ill actually take an '85 Yugo over a brand new slushbox. I've only bought one vehicle (aside from my first car) with a slushbox and it was hoped to be a compromise between the Miata and the F350 since it was a floor shift center console Grand Marquis. I still have that car, but it's nowhere near the same as a stick...

Had the Bronco not been available with a manual, I would not have one in my driveway.

Dealers stock what sells. If everybody came into the showroom looking for a manual transmission, that’s all you would see on the lot. Dealers aren’t trying to shape the market, they are trying to make money selling as many vehicles as they can. You do that by having what buyers are looking for on your lot. Super simple.

 

[michelle227]

Dealers stock what sells. If everybody came into the showroom looking for a manual transmission, that’s all you would see on the lot. Dealers aren’t trying to shape the market, they are trying to make money selling as many vehicles as they can. You do that by having what buyers are looking for on your lot. Super simple.

Then explain why, when they DO order a manual for stock, they fail to option it as most people would want the vehicle. Wanting a manual does not mean stripped of all options and in the most boring fleet color available.

You know what DOESNT sell to buyers like me? Slushboxes.

Jaguar had 440 manual equipped F-Types that were brought to the US in 2016. They all sold. They would have sold more had more been brought over. Mine was flat-bedded to me from another State.

I would have liked to have had a replacement for my 2000 F350 when it was totaled. Impossible to order because Ford punted useful trucks. A manual is not even available going through Fleet.

I can envision GM claiming in a few years that manuals aren't viable when their four-door Camaro flops miserably. The flop wont be because they offered a stick, it will be due to using the Camaro name on a 4dr platform.

 

[gbub]

First time my BIL drove my Bronco he did a 1-C shift instead of a 1-2 shift. That was a hard jolt to everything and most likely an overrev. That was 40K miles ago and the clutch is still going strong. Seems in my case one time was not enough to cook the clutch.

I have been driving manuals since 1962 and have never heard of a 1-C shift. Is that something new for the Bronco MT? I know what a granny gear is.

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