Electronics; how much is too much?

[JimmyDean]

Yes, I know; being realistic and ferreting out the truth is considered being an ass to today's sheeple.

Probably even more when you do it with a fan boy club fantasizing about a vehicle no one had seen. It reminds me of trying to discuss reality with someone in a religious Cult.

Actually I think there are 4-5 people on this site who have seen it, and 1-2 who have put hands on it. And a couple more that seem to have been able to relay some very thus-far-accurate information that they got from an acquaintance (as in being able to provide information on dates, confirmations etc. that later turned out true). the ones who have actually seen it or put hands on it have been damn quiet though, just confirming that they have in fact seen it and that we will in fact like it. If you actually do some digging, and can read between the lines, you can get a pretty solid understanding of what to expect. There are a few things that are up in the air still of course.

As of right now, expect something similar in options and price to a Jeep Sport S as the base model bronco, all the way up to something comparable to the Rubicon, IFS most likely, automatic hubs (I'd be swapping those to manual asap..I don't understand why not go with an auto/manual like the 250 has), few other things.

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[BroncoMike]

Mike, it doesn't really work like that. There are firewalls for proprietary software. A hacker can take control of your vehicle and operate the same things you ask your computer to do from the drivers seat or simulate mechanical failures.
However.......
Call me cynical or a conspiracy theorist, but with the symbiotic relationship between our government and big corporations; there is no way that there is not back door programming already in our new vehicle computers sitting idle waiting for the right laws to be enacted.

It's not a matter of singling you out. The government has your vin number attached to your name, license plate number and address. If there is backdoor programming like I think, then it's as easy as texting someone. Didn't pay your registration on time? They brick your car until you pay. Your car reports it's being a gross polluter; you're fined, put in limp mode or bricked.

I'm not saying this is going to happen next year, but it's coming; it's just a matter of time.

It's already waaaay too late. Our electrical grid, transportation systems, and huge portions of the manufacturing sector are already vulnerable. Nuclear power plants are attacked on a daily basis. Your banking, medical environment, all retail shopping, your television, all your communication devices, GPS system... hell - many new refrigerators are compromised in the same way. Several governments around the world have my fingerprints and facial images, the same data we use for biometric access. Government entities get pwned with ransomware regularly. Hackers will monetize their skills, and governments will become more efficient at extracting revenue. The absence of electronic devices in your car is not going to stop either of those eventualities.

I'm confused by your statement that "it doesn't really work like that". You're saying hackers can take total control of all my vehicle parameters, but I can't access any of that because "firewalls"? Compromising a firewall between the communication/entertainment side and the vehicle operation side is exactly how a remote exploit works. It is far simpler to make direct inputs, reflash, or alter code on a chip that is in your physical possession - less than half the work, and there is off-the-shelf hardware and software designed specifically for it. As a matter of fact, there is an entire industry behind doing exactly those things, and people do it every day. I've done it myself dozens of times.

As for your Big Brother concerns, they can do all of that already, just in the physical world. It isn't the method they use, it's the underlying legislation you have a beef with. If you don't insure your car, they suspend your registration unless you provide an affadavit that it isn't being operated on the road. Get caught, big fines leading up to impoundment. Personally, if someone has a DUI suspension or no insurance, I'd prefer them to be at home and not sharing the road with me.

All that aside, there is the *simplest* resolution to your privacy concerns. It is completely free to implement, and currently does not interfere with the operation of the car in any way. No question in my mind you've already figured it out, so I don't have to let the entire Internet in on the super-secret hack that foils rogue governments and hackers alike worldwide.

 

[The Pope]

All that aside, there is the *simplest* resolution to your privacy concerns. It is completely free to implement, and currently does not interfere with the operation of the car in any way. No question in my mind you've already figured it out, so I don't have to let the entire Internet in on the super-secret hack that foils rogue governments and hackers alike worldwide.

It's this, right????

 

[BroncoMike]

It's this, right????

Not exactly, but there are a couple clues in there!

 

[Nanook]

Actually I think there are 4-5 people on this site who have seen it, and 1-2 who have put hands on it. And a couple more that seem to have been able to relay some very thus-far-accurate information that they got from an acquaintance (as in being able to provide information on dates, confirmations etc. that later turned out true). the ones who have actually seen it or put hands on it have been damn quiet though, just confirming that they have in fact seen it and that we will in fact like it. If you actually do some digging, and can read between the lines, you can get a pretty solid understanding of what to expect. There are a few things that are up in the air still of course.

As of right now, expect something similar in options and price to a Jeep Sport S as the base model bronco, all the way up to something comparable to the Rubicon, IFS most likely, automatic hubs (I'd be swapping those to manual asap..I don't understand why not go with an auto/manual like the 250 has), few other things.

Do you know if it was a scaled down model or a production-esque vehicle.
I remember seeing it referenced in several threads that it has been seen at the dealers but can’t recall what was seen or which thread had the detail.

 

[JimmyDean]

Do you know if it was a scaled down model or a production-esque vehicle.
I remember seeing it referenced in several threads that it has been seen at the dealers but can’t recall what was seen or which thread had the detail.

From my understanding, the tarped version that was sneaked a while back was a clay model, life sized. the dealers at the last two dealer meetings saw, best I understand it, prototype or prototype mockups. may well not have been fully complete prototype, maybe no engine/powertrain etc, but the true to life body at least, and exact or very close to how it is expected to be at production, minus any tweaks they make during testing.

 

[Nickp]

Do you know if it was a scaled down model or a production-esque vehicle.
I remember seeing it referenced in several threads that it has been seen at the dealers but can’t recall what was seen or which thread had the detail.

The dealers have seen a working prototype most likely. They haven’t said if they were driving but I don’t see why it would be a shell.

And JimmyDean’s post about this is basically what we do know very accurately. The picture that is being formed is basically a modern version of the 1966-1977 Bronco and that it will be heavily influenced by that from a styling perspective. I honestly expect it to be more high-tech than the wrangler, probably no N/A powertrains. Sync 3 likely standard, or it may be the debut of Sync 4. 7 speed manual for a super low granny gear, 10 speed auto also likely to have a super low first gear. Modular roof removal system, LED headlights standard, electric windows and locks standard. Just my educated guess.

 

[Nanook]

Cool, thanks! Up to date on the threads, I’m excited and getting impatient as everyone else. Even if it’s not the BroncoBroncoBronco 5.0 haha

 

[Carolina Jim]

From what I've seen, the 'stickys' are factual...especially any disclosures from Carmaker1.

The 'normal' threads are for the most part speculation from the peanut gallery - though there are many very knowledgeable and helpful buffs and engineers on the forum willing to share ideas and preferences.

 

[OX1]

The dealers have seen a working prototype most likely. They haven’t said if they were driving but I don’t see why it would be a shell.

And JimmyDean’s post about this is basically what we do know very accurately. The picture that is being formed is basically a modern version of the 1966-1977 Bronco and that it will be heavily influenced by that from a styling perspective. I honestly expect it to be more high-tech than the wrangler, probably no N/A powertrains. Sync 3 likely standard, or it may be the debut of Sync 4. 7 speed manual for a super low granny gear, 10 speed auto also likely to have a super low first gear. Modular roof removal system, LED headlights standard, electric windows and locks standard. Just my educated guess.

Really think they are going to re-design 10 spd for super low first gear? Would think
they just do 3 Spd case (or 2 with lower than normal, low range ratio).
10 spd is already 4.69 first (and torque converter). Even ZF was only 5.72.

 

[Stampede.Offroad]

Really think they are going to re-design 10 spd for super low first gear? Would think
they just do 3 Spd case (or 2 with lower than normal, low range ratio).
10 spd is already 4.69 first (and torque converter). Even ZF was only 5.72.

I would be surprised if the 10 speed came with anything but the standard set of gears they put in the trucks, with 3 overdrive gears. Standard parts and all that. I would really prefer they did leave it at 2 overdrive and give us a granny gear instead -- and just program it to skip first by default in most drive modes.

Similarly, a two speed transfer case seems likely, but it seems very unlikely Ford will try to beat the Wranglers final 84:1 from the factory. They could if they wanted to but we haven't seen anything that would indicate Ford gives a damn about competing in that space, even though their hardware gives them more options and they could beat Jeep on both ends of the spectrum if they tried.

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[Nickp]

I don’t know that for a fact but I think it would be a waste to have all those speeds and not use them to our advantage. I was thinking that the 7-speed would have a super low 1st and super tall 7th for highway cruising. Just would imagine they’d try and match that with the automatic, otherwise the 1st gear in the 7 speed is kinda redundant. (I picture the 1st gear being like reverse in a 6-speed wrangler but the opposite. All the way to the left and down/up)

 

[Stampede.Offroad]

I don’t know that for a fact but I think it would be a waste to have all those speeds and not use them to our advantage. I was thinking that the 7-speed would have a super low 1st and super tall 7th for highway cruising. Just would imagine they’d try and match that with the automatic...

I think it should too, but until Ford gives us something other than warm fuzzy marketing language to think about it's hard to say.

 

[OX1]

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I don’t know that for a fact but I think it would be a waste to have all those speeds and not use them to our advantage. I was thinking that the 7-speed would have a super low 1st and super tall 7th for highway cruising. Just would imagine they’d try and match that with the automatic, otherwise the 1st gear in the 7 speed is kinda redundant. (I picture the 1st gear being like reverse in a 6-speed wrangler but the opposite. All the way to the left and down/up)

I agree on the manual, but I think stampede shows the auto should have enough gear (assuming Ford comes up with a 4:1 case).

 

[OX1]

4.69:1 is already damn low for an automatic, so I seriously doubt they would use a first gear ratio any lower than that. The torque multiplication from the converter is dependent on the converter design and is not typically advertised, but the rule of thumb is 2:1, so the 4.69:1 first gear in the auto would be equivalent to roughly a 9.38:1 first gear in a manual.

That was probably back when engines had just off idle torque, which eco's don't.

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