Imploded front diff and transfer case

[Dream_Solventless]

I guess it was kind of similar to that but “clunkier” and much louder. But I’ll be honest I’m gonna have to google a lot of what you just said as I’m not familiar with the m210, assuming it’s an upgrade to the diff that’s currently in place the m190?

It was much harder to capture in video, above 5mph it sounded like it was about to come apart and would also bind up

and yea, the m210 differential is the one that comes standard with Sasquatch package.Its slightly larger, has an electronic larger and takes the larger Sasquatch CV axles too.

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[SPITmadFIRE]

It was much harder to capture in video, above 5mph it sounded like it was about to come apart and would also bind up

and yea, the m210 differential is the one that comes standard with Sasquatch package.Its slightly larger, has an electronic larger and takes the larger Sasquatch CV axles too.

To be fair, the M210 axles and diffs seem to have their own issues — my M210 is leaking from the pinion seal it seems.

 

[bobplastow]

M190 front axles are standard on base thru OBX I believe. Wildtrak and Badlands come with M210 upgraded front axles standard. Sasquatch also comes with M210 front axles I believe

This happened to me yesterday. 2022 bronco badlands Sasquatch. Factory suspension wheels and tires. Only cosmetic add ons. Pulling into gravel driveway with snow on the ground. 4H Rear locker on. Not turning. Straight up small incline and I mean really small. Driveway raises about 6 feet over 300’ length. Got “stuck” and bronco said 4x4 temporarily unavailable. Backed out. Put in 2H. Limped to ford dealership 5 miles away. Grinding clunking the whole way from front passenger side. Now waiting. First snow it was driven in. Very unsettling that my new 4x4 failed in first snow. Dealership said it could be Months for parts but they were not sure yet until they have a tech who can tear it apart and couldn’t even give me a guess on when they would get to it. So I guess I am back in my reliable 2002 Silverado 4x4 for the winter. I am sure glad I didn’t get around to selling it.

 

[Kickit]

This happened to me yesterday. 2022 bronco badlands Sasquatch. Factory suspension wheels and tires. Only cosmetic add ons. Pulling into gravel driveway with snow on the ground. 4H Rear locker on. Not turning. Straight up small incline and I mean really small. Driveway raises about 6 feet over 300’ length. Got “stuck” and bronco said 4x4 temporarily unavailable. Backed out. Put in 2H. Limped to ford dealership 5 miles away. Grinding clunking the whole way from front passenger side. Now waiting. First snow it was driven in. Very unsettling that my new 4x4 failed in first snow. Dealership said it could be Months for parts but they were not sure yet until they have a tech who can tear it apart and couldn’t even give me a guess on when they would get to it. So I guess I am back in my reliable 2002 Silverado 4x4 for the winter. I am sure glad I didn’t get around to selling it.

Was it just your front diff or both the front diff and the transfer case that was involved?

 

[SPITmadFIRE]

This happened to me yesterday. 2022 bronco badlands Sasquatch. Factory suspension wheels and tires. Only cosmetic add ons. Pulling into gravel driveway with snow on the ground. 4H Rear locker on. Not turning. Straight up small incline and I mean really small. Driveway raises about 6 feet over 300’ length. Got “stuck” and bronco said 4x4 temporarily unavailable. Backed out. Put in 2H. Limped to ford dealership 5 miles away. Grinding clunking the whole way from front passenger side. Now waiting. First snow it was driven in. Very unsettling that my new 4x4 failed in first snow. Dealership said it could be Months for parts but they were not sure yet until they have a tech who can tear it apart and couldn’t even give me a guess on when they would get to it. So I guess I am back in my reliable 2002 Silverado 4x4 for the winter. I am sure glad I didn’t get around to selling it.

Yikes. Do you have any diagnosis yet? Do they think the diff ran low on fluid or anything?

 

[da_jokker]

Sorry, I don't think this is an accurate statement. Sure, modifications are not covered under factory warranty, and one modified part can void the warranty on an adjoining part in some situations. However, I do not think that there is a general trend for warranty to be not applicable to off road use. Yes, there are uneducated employees at some dealerships who have not had to deal with this type of vehicle before, meaning a vehicle that was designed to go off road, but we haven't seen Ford deny warranty because of off road use. Heck, most dealership people don't even know what type of things we might have been doing with it. Off road is a dirt road to a campsite or trailhead, or a scenic spot in a state or National Park.

Now, I can see a potential problem buying a lower equipped Bronco with the M190 front end and 31" tires, then adding a 2" lift and 35" tires, rather than buying a SAS Bronco from the beginning. But, that is a person's own choice, and we all have to accept potential warranty issues on parts that are modified. However, I do not think we are seeing warranty issues on non-modified vehicles, or vehicles modified to factory specs.

Exactly why My Wrangler is still sitting in my driveway

 

[bobplastow]

Was it just your front diff or both the front diff and the transfer case that was involved?

No diagnosis on it yet. Waiting for local Ford dealership. Hopefully just a broken cv joint but there was a lot of grinding and clanging going on. I didnt see anything obvious from the oustisde, boot was fine and axle wasnt hanging or anything. I am thinking there was an issue from the factory as I have had a couple intermittent "service 4WD system" warnings that disappeared after a restart.

 

[Beach_Bum]

All guess work on what could have happened. This is why I almost didn't get the Bronco, because of not trusting all of the electronic and solenoid controlled shifting of the transfer case. It's possible that the front got bound up somewhere, and in the process did damage to the t-case. However, without actually seeing the parts inside the diff and t-case there's no way to even speculate. No idea how this might even apply, but I think we all need to be patient when shifting in and out of different modes because of the weirdness of depending on electric control and shifting. Bad things can happen if it's between gears and power applied, if the Bronco will even allow that to happen.

Bummer.

Prudent advice to be patient when shifting in/out of different modes and to verify that it has done so.

I have had experience that the changing between GOAT modes doesn't actually occur despite all indications that the change is being made on the IP. Happened on 2 different occasions where I was transitioning out of Sand mode to Normal. The first was where all the messages were displayed indicating the change, but it remained in 4H with the rear locker on. The 4H was still lit up on the dial, but the IP indicated the shift had been made and the rear locker hero switch was off. I didn't look down at the dial and trusted that the shift was made. Didn't realize that the shift wasn't made until I made a turn and felt the binding right away and looked down to see 4H still on. The other instance was a Sand to Normal transition. Everything did shift with the messages and indicator lights changing except the rear locker stayed engaged despite the hero switch indicating that it was off.

Now, I "trust but verify" when making the transitions and have a bit of patience to ensure the transition was completed successfully.

 

[goatman2]

Exactly why My Wrangler is still sitting in my driveway

I'm still a bit nervous about Neutral Tow Mode.....why I almost didn't get the Bronco. No worries with my XJ.

 

[dgorsett]

I'm still a bit nervous about Neutral Tow Mode.....why I almost didn't get the Bronco. No worries with my XJ.

I'm with you on neutral tow, no way to verify since you leave the transmission in neutral also. If convenient I'll stop 50 miles down the road and feel the transmission pan for heat, so far so good...

My old LJ was put in Park with TC in neutral, you'd know quick if it wasn't right. Plus you could start, put in gear and check, not so with the Bronco.

 

[mpeugeot]

I'm still a bit nervous about Neutral Tow Mode.....why I almost didn't get the Bronco. No worries with my XJ.

Used neutral tow mode for a 350 mile trip, worked fine.

 

[Jon_chimpo]

Oh yeah I feel some kinda way about Roseville ford. You couldn’t drag me to that dealer by my hair……

Future Ford is terrible. Pretty much all the Sacramento dealers suck.

 

[n0xlf]

Saw this on a FB group in Colorado (he's probably on here if I had to guess):

Welp, it's official, I've blown my SECOND front differential. Shredded the ring and pinion gears. This is my second one within 2 months. It's either that there wasn't enough oil in there, the ring and pinion weren't seated properly, manufacturer defect, or I just drive it like a monster truck.
In any case, Ford is replacing it again under warranty.

 

[Kickit]

Saw this on a FB group in Colorado (he's probably on here if I had to guess):

Geeze I’m sorry! That’s terrible! I was really hoping they figured out what exactly the problem is and would have at least given an upgraded part or fixed the leaking part…….I wonder at what point ford does a recall. How many miles are on this one? I’m getting a sinking feeling we are going to see more of this happening…….

 

[goatman2]

Used neutral tow mode for a 350 mile trip, worked fine.

I'm with you on neutral tow, no way to verify since you leave the transmission in neutral also. If convenient I'll stop 50 miles down the road and feel the transmission pan for heat, so far so good...

My old LJ was put in Park with TC in neutral, you'd know quick if it wasn't right. Plus you could start, put in gear and check, not so with the Bronco.

Yep, in the Jeep I switched with the engine running and verified it was in neutral. Now we have to trust the lights going out on the selector dial. I've been on a few trips with it, actually on one now, and no issues. A friend of mine lost the trans flat towing a new Ranger, and had a heck of a time getting it covered under warranty, so it does give me some concern. But, what the heck, I'm all in now and selling the Jeep, so whatever happens just happens.

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