UAW goes on strike @ MAP Bronco / Ranger factory [ADMIN WARNING: NO INSULTS, NO POLITICS]

[Pilsner]

I recommend that you Google what strawman means. Also no one said anything about anyone being owed a job.

Ah, ok? You implied people are owed a job with specific pay, a "living wage". I never said they should all quit working, you took that leap in what I said. They should make that determination individually. If you think your skills are worth more than your pay, then quit and get a new job. Just like everyone else in the work force does as they advance their careers.

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[Pilsner]

Maybe labor rates should be cost of living and/or inflation related?
Market driven is a race to the bottom.
What the data has shown is stagnant pay or pay cuts to the work force result in MASSIVE pay raises to the executives.

No thank you.

So while 40% sounds obscene, I believe it is more about making a statement, and it's a statement I can get behind.
Don't rob my paycheck just to fatten yours.
If the system is that corrupt, then perhaps it does need to be dismantled.

Who do you think would pay for that wage increase? You think the CEO will take a pay cut or do you think the price of cars will increase and the rest of us will pay?

 

[broncobase1]

GM and Toyota pulled out of Australia because of high labor costs, ending automotive manufacturing in that country for good (most likely). The UAW is hell bent on making sure the same thing happens in the USA. Hello Mexico And Adios Baby to You! The union bosses could care less about the future of automobile production in the USA obviously, they have their golden parachutes.

 

[INFINITE23]

I recommend that you Google what strawman means. Also no one said anything about anyone being owed a job.

If anything my posted

Ah, ok? You implied people are owed a job with specific pay, a "living wage". I never said they should all quit working, you took that leap in what I said. They should make that determination individually. If you think your skills are worth more than your pay, then quit and get a new job. Just like everyone else in the work force does as they advance their careers.

that was never an implication, I said if you can’t afford to pay a worker a living wage you can’t afford to do business in the US.
Reading comprehension is very very very important.

 

[j_marinelli]

One topic I don't think has been answered but would certainly help everyone better understand the strike (from both sides) is the 32 hour part. If anyone that is part of the UAW (or Ford for that matter) that is on here that can clarify these points, I think would help all that are engaging in discussion.

• Is the UAW asking for 32 hours of work but be paid 40 hours of work? (or is it work 32 hours and the pay raise they are asking for equates to the current 40 hours of work)
• If a worker works over the 32 hours, would the overtime start at the 32 hours or the normal 40 hours?
• If a 32 hours of work is approved, does that mean more down time at the factory or would an additional shift be added?
  • If an additional shift is added would it go to existing UAW workers or would more workers be hired?

Just wanting to bring up my post from 10+ pages back that no one answered yet. Any incite on these questions I think would really help everyone on either side understand the entirety of this strike.

 

[INFINITE23]

That is just another excuse-these same people can work in other industries...its competing with other corporations, not just automotive ones.

Tell me the skills that Barra and Farley have that make them CEO material. I’ll wait.

You have to be incredibly delusional to believe that “hardwork” gets you anywhere anymore.

 

[INFINITE23]

Just wanting to bring up my post from 10+ pages back that no one answered yet. Any incite on these questions I think would really help everyone on either side understand the entirety of this strike.

So the way I interpret it is that they want to work for 32 but be paid for 40, 32 becomes the new full time. I’m not 100% in agreement but I guess it’s what happened back in the day when we shortened the work week the first time. I’d rather do 4 10s personally.

 

[INFINITE23]

These strikes are going to push ford to move to non union states/countries, and build mostly robot factories. The strikers are killing their own jobs. This is not skilled labor, it’s a learned repetitive job that can be done by a robot. It’s way over paid to begin with. We don’t live in a socialist/communist country, no one is forcing them to take these jobs, and they’re the best for that area, don’t screw it up by forcing ford’s hand. I’m sure this will be an unpopular opinion with half the members of the forum, but 41 pages is stupid. Unions have done nothing but move manufacturing overseas.

They are moving to robots regardless. There’s no wage level in which a robot doesn’t eventually maximize profits.

 

[Pilsner]

that was never an implication, I said if you can’t afford to pay a worker a living wage you can’t afford to do business in the US.
Reading comprehension is very very very important.

Lol. "I didn't say that everyone was entitled to a "living wage". People's skills are worth the value they bring and nothing more. Not some "living wage" dollar amount.

"if they quit the new complaint will be “no one wants to work anymore” the same thing you are saying, was said to service workers and look what happened.

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
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[Pilsner]

Tell me the skills that Barra and Farley have that make them CEO material. I’ll wait.

You have to be incredibly delusional to believe that “hardwork” gets you anywhere anymore.

Ahhh. I see the issue now. You don't believe in hard work. I dropped out of college and worked hard. I'm also curious and like learning. There's not much I can't build or repair from carpentry to circuitry. I own 4 businesses currently. It happened because of hard work. Not "living wage" hand outs. What do you do for a living?

 

[j_marinelli]

So with Friday being a pivotable day (with a potential increase in strikes), does anyone in the know have any updates on the direction we will likely see come Friday?

I'd love to ask the Ford account on here but think that will get me banned

 

[slews]

46% was the starting point. We’re of course hoping to get something as close to that as possible, along with the return of cola.

Overpaid? You clearly haven’t been following uaw wages decline over the last decade or more. We at ford gave up cola and regular raises, as well as pensions and other benefits, back in 08 to help ford survive that crash and we never got any of it back. That’s right, no raise of top pay in over 15 years and no cola to combat inflation. So many people quick to say we’re overpaid but the same people have no actual knowledge of the facts about our pay or the work we do.

With the current actual inflation rate somewhere in the middle teens, we’re making less than we did 15 years ago. Everyone is.

Have you had a raise in the last 15 years?

UAW wages used to be the gold standard pay of the middle/upper middle class. Now with wages having been stagnant for the better part of the last 2 decades we’re struggling to stay in the middle class. In a world where the banks and elites continue to buy up every asset and hoard a lot of the wealth, it should be in every lower and middle class Americans interest to support higher wages for the workers to help protect those classes. A raise for us will mean a raise for more workers not in unions.

Agree with many of your points, but the "current actual inflation rate" is definitely not in the middle teens. It's true that real wages have been pretty flat for years (and even declined a bit in 2022, though they've largely rebounded this year), and people don't talk about that enough, but it's still not the case that inflation is anywhere near that high, nor has it been in the past 40 years.

 

[Dom]

I really feel blessed right now. My Bronco is at the dealership right now and I get to close the deal on Saturday. I got the Chapman 4% below invoice deal and they are totally honoring it. I had to wait 952 days but feel lucky right now.

 

[swamp2]

They are moving to robots regardless. There’s no wage level in which a robot doesn’t eventually maximize profits.

Not true. Robots don't last forever in terms of maintenance nor long term utility. Automation in general must have its large capital expense amortized over the lifetime of a model year (or when it's more flexible and reconfigureable across vehicle generations). Then a comparison of total labor cost vs. total automation cost can be done and it is either ROI positive or not. How much manual work vs automated work is ultimately about the total vehicle volume needed (or loosely equivalent vehicles produced per unit time).

 

[swamp2]

apparently they decided to build mine, started 9/12 and finished yesterday. Going through final checks and being shipped.

No way. Seems impossible. MAP final assembly has been on strike since 14th. It must have been completed early or bumped. Can you share all of the relevant dates? Do you know blend date?

Regardless, fantastic!

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