Warning on Race Red color

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I have a 2016 Ford Mustang Convertible in Race Red and also two black decal racing stripes.
I drive it year round in Michigan and it gets hit with salt, snow, ice, etc.
So far, I don't see any issues with it at all.
I couple of pictures of it. Next to a 1965 and in the snow...

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Might be a good idea to see how the new Ranger’s paint is holding up. Since, it’s going to be painted in the same plant.

Update: I took my own advice and looked up Ranger paint issues. I’m a bit worried now. 😳
 
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How is the white holding up? Oxford White is currently my leading candidate for my Bronco.
OW is a great colour! I ts a flat white but it can get very bright in the sun, especially in the winter when it blends in with the snow. Hard as hell to keep clean but very nice when it is. I would go for OW again but that Area 51 is too irresistible for me right now 😂
 

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OW is a great colour! I ts a flat white but it can get very bright in the sun, especially in the winter when it blends in with the snow. Hard as hell to keep clean but very nice when it is. I would go for OW again but that Area 51 is too irresistible for me right now 😂
The Cactus Grey is the one tempting me to stray from OW! I’m just afraid that in 5/10/15 years I’ll get tired of the color. I’ll always like white. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

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Concerning matching paint colors, they are all challenging if not done correctly.

A good shop will blend into the surrounding panels and then clear coat to the nearest seam. This method makes the variance in paint mixes pretty much impossible to see.
 

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OW is a great colour! I ts a flat white but it can get very bright in the sun, especially in the winter when it blends in with the snow. Hard as hell to keep clean but very nice when it is. I would go for OW again but that Area 51 is too irresistible for me right now 😂
Yep, my original choice was OW, and it may very well be what I end up getting, but the Area 51 is looking pretty good lately now that it looks just blue and no green/teal, and the devil on my shoulder keeps whispering "Race Red Race Red Race Red". I think Im down to those 3. Today.
 

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Update: I took my own advice and looked up Ranger paint issues. I’m a bit worried now. 😳
Maybe Bronco can be ordered UNPAINTED? From the Ranger forum 10 months ago:

Hi Folks,

"Michigan Truck Plant has to get their act together. This paint quality is unacceptable. The Plant Manager needs to be removes for allowing this to happen. There is no excuse for this poor quality. The buck stops at the Plant Manager. He is doing a very poor job as he is geared to production for his bonus, not vehicle quality. I so wish Allen Malay was back in charge than the "Pretty Boy" Mark Fields or this POS, Jim Hacket of Steelcase Office Furniture....Sheesh! We need a Product Engineer at the helm of Ford....Hope the 3rd quarter dismal failure ends Hackets tenure of CEO...He needs to go."

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired
 

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Hello, I wanted to share a personal ownership story of a Race Red vehicle by Ford, admittedly nothing like a Bronco. This was my 2014 Ford Focus, which I bought off the dealer's lot 6 years ago. It is no longer in my possession, by virtue of family vehicle needs changing, but let me give the caveat that under almost all circumstances, I love red cars. However with the Bronco at least, I have not yet been able to convince myself to even consider Race Red as an option. All of this will depend upon your actual usage of the Bronco, but my guess is that most of us, despite being adventurous types, will try to keep our new $40k-$60k trucks in fairly pristine condition for at least the first few years.

When I bought the Focus, I had three requirements: hatchback (for the dog), manual transmission, and bright red. At least two of those three same factors play into my selection of the Bronco based on current needs, but probably not the red.

What I loved about the race red on the Focus: quite possibly the most intense red I've seen. It was so bright that in direct sunlight on a bright day it was almost almost orange-red, like looking at the flames of a campfire. It was so red that digital camera sensors would often trip out and render the car in a way that didn't really reflect what you see in person, unless I was very careful in taking the photos (FYI, the photos here are pretty accurate, but I had a few that turned out really funky over the years).

One thing I disliked with Race Red was that the paint layer was very thin and prone to chipping. This was a commuter vehicle seeing 15,000 highway miles per year, but being a car nut I like to keep even my commuters in pristine condition. This meant that at least twice a year, I had to go over a dozen plus random rock chips all over the whole front end of the car with touchup paint, build up a few layers, and then cut down the the little paint bumps with a DA buffer/polisher. Thankfully at the time, one of my nearby body shops affiliated with the Ford dealer offered this buffing/polishing service for free to people who had bought their vehicles new from that dealer, so I rarely had to do that part myself, but it was still a maintenance chore that has not really proved to be the case on other newer vehicles I've owned (BMW, VW, Nissan). This will be a small thing for many of you, but one reason these paint chips were so obnoxious to me is that Ford used a light gray primer, so they were very visible against the red. I'm sorry, I don't have photos of the rock chips, but it still bears mentioning here as a consideration. Hopefully Ford will provide a thicker application of paint on the Bronco than they did on the Focus, but if not, then for me at least that is one strike against the Race Red.

The other thing I disliked, is when I was once rear ended in traffic, the color proved IMPOSSIBLE to match. I had the car fixed at a very reputable shop, and they had to remix and repaint the bumper three times to get it even close to the color the eye sees on the original. It wasn't just a question of spraying on metal vs plastic, because the front bumper (which Ford painted) was a perfect match to the steel on the rest of the car. The photos included here are after the 3rd attempt, when I finally gave up on an actual color match, but for the rest of my ownership of the vehicle, the rear bumper always looked a little pink compared to the rest of the vehicle. Note, part of this is biology - the eyes are extraordinarily sensitive to variations of red, whereas other colors are not as easy to discern.

I know I'm not going to convince anyone who likes red cars not to like them, and that really isn't my point. I just want to put this information out there so if you are considering that option, you weigh the experience I've had with the exact same color (at least nominally) on another vehicle. I would also be very curious to know if anyone who has owned a Race Red F150 or any of the other vehicles Ford has offered in that color in recent years has had a similar or different experience. If the Focus was an anomaly and people have had better luck with other vehicles, then maybe I should add red back to the shopping list. I certainly hope Ford

Currently I am leaning more toward the more muted colors (Cactus/Area 51) as I think rock chips will not really show up much in that paint assuming Ford still uses the same baked-on light gray primer that I could see whenever the Focus got a rock chip.

I think the single stage paint made the touch-up work on rock chips easier, but the red made the color match almost impossible.

Thanks for listening to my ted talk.


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Focus problem, not a Race Red problem.
 

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I had a shop put a clear coat of plastic paint protection on my raptor. The guy that owned the shop was upset that he quoted me so low. I only took it down one really super narrow trail and it left scratches in the plastic. The shop owner thinks he could get them out with a heat gun, but haven't tried yet. I could also remove the wrap in theory and the paint would be perfect underneath. In theory.
Guys that go to the track often put big blue sheets of protection for while they are on the track. Perhaps that would be a better way to protect the paint if you aren't out on the trails all the time.
 

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Folks a good paint protection film on the hood, side fenders and A pillar and ceramic coating over the whole bronco is all your going to need for good protection from rock chips and easy maintenance. Also maybe the windshield protection film too...
 

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Maybe Bronco can be ordered UNPAINTED? From the Ranger forum 10 months ago:

Hi Folks,

"Michigan Truck Plant has to get their act together. This paint quality is unacceptable. The Plant Manager needs to be removes for allowing this to happen. There is no excuse for this poor quality. The buck stops at the Plant Manager. He is doing a very poor job as he is geared to production for his bonus, not vehicle quality. I so wish Allen Malay was back in charge than the "Pretty Boy" Mark Fields or this POS, Jim Hacket of Steelcase Office Furniture....Sheesh! We need a Product Engineer at the helm of Ford....Hope the 3rd quarter dismal failure ends Hackets tenure of CEO...He needs to go."

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired
Huh. Never had a paint issue out of this plant.
 

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I had a shop put this stuff on my wife's VW atlas... 1 year now and not a scratch or chip. https://www.xpel.com

It is on the forward facing parts but you can literally have the entire car done. I like the idea of a ceramic coating as well.
 

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Thanks for the heads up!

If anything, if I have $$$ to spare, I'll switch from Red to Orange, then have the shop next door paint it a real Orange instead 🤣

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Is this just the camera? Because it looks really orange
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It is partly the camera, but not entirely. The orange undertones are undeniable, to the point that it did look orange-red in certain lighting. Usually just intense red in daylight, and never a dark red. At night under artificial lighting you would swear it was an orange car though. Still though, no one was ever confused when I told them to look for my red car.

I would say this is far more orange than say, Volkswagen's Tornado Red, which is what our Alltrack is (that's what we upgraded to to get enough legroom for rear-facing carseat behind the passenger seat). VW's color is very nearly a Boston red, just with slightly less blue in it.
 
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I had a shop put this stuff on my wife's VW atlas... 1 year now and not a scratch or chip. https://www.xpel.com

It is on the forward facing parts but you can literally have the entire car done. I like the idea of a ceramic coating as well.
Thanks for the recommendation!
 

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