Their $2k under invoice was just last October. But their regular offer of $1k under is their standard deal.Didn't that offer expire last October?
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Their $2k under invoice was just last October. But their regular offer of $1k under is their standard deal.Didn't that offer expire last October?
There is some truth, but I'm not about to hunt through threads to find it. Dealer got mad at me for pointing it out and told me to mind my own business.That is not true at all. They told EVERY person who had a reservation with them where their place in line was and if you were expected to be MY21 or 22.
Not blaming them for the situation, just saying that it there was always a lot of risk in that business model. Simply pointing out reality. I think it sucks for everyone not getting their Broncos in a timely manner. Those customers are the only ones I feel bad for. Everything else is just basic business.Some are blaming Granger, Stephens, Chapman which is essentially the same thing in my book.
Ha I’m in western NY too, ordered it from Conroy motors, NY’s oldest Ford dealer. I tried to support a small local dealer during this covid crap. I guess I thought the reservation was all that mattered.Yeah talked to my dealer and the only Bronco they've received so far is the mannequin. They have ~50 reservations. Small dealer in Western NY.
You are saying that Granger or Chapman got mad at you and told you to mind your own business? And that you won't link to it?There is some truth, but I'm not about to hunt through threads to find it. Dealer got mad at me for pointing it out and told me to mind my own business.
I made a comment months ago about how Granger was never going to be able to fill their orders for years to come and they should come out and tell their disciples the reality of the numbers.
I WAS ROASTED, ROASTED on this site from a few arrogant and nasty Grangerites. My comments were actually removed because I was arguing this exact scenario that is playing out right now.
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Right. Because corporate elites lying should be accepted as a fact of life nowadays.I've been having these same thoughts all throughout this situation. It always sounded too good to be true as far as the pricing and allocations these dealers were getting that anyone could jump in on. The pendulum always swings farthest before it goes the other way and this seems to be the far end with what ford intended. The original Ford allocation model probably didn't factor in a small dealer taking advantage of and exploiting a model through discounts to get a dramatically different allocation than expected with their size. I also don't know or think the dealer understood the risk of ford changing the model with the game they were playing. The fact that people are so surprised is what's most surprising.
Exactly what i meant . But if you knew corporates elites always lie anyway, why are you surprised?Right. Because corporate elites lying should be accepted as a fact of life nowadays.
You really don’t know much but don’t let that stop you from giving an opinion. Go to Stephens site and read all the clear cut info they gave… and find any big Ford dealer that is that up front in writing. I went to several and they all played games. There was an allocation system and Ford changed it mid-play. If you’re saying it was foreseeable that Ford would fold on it’s own processes and word to dealers and customers, than that’s saying something too.I mentioned this in a thread the other day, but I don't see anyone else talking about how the Grangers/Chapman/SAC should of really been telling their customers that there was risk in signing up with them. They've been around for a long time and understand how the dealer systems work so there is no way that they didn't think there was risk with this.
The old saying "It seems to good to be true" holds pretty strongly here, like how did everyone that ordered with these dealers think that they would get their vehicles quickly and that there was no risk. Even if they kept the old allocation model for this year (which they never said they would when they released lasts years) there would probably still be lots of people waiting because they line is so long.
Everyone keeps saying that these dealers have been the only ones being 100% honest with them, yet I don't think the dealers have been informing their customers that their sales technique probably had a lot of risk in it.
I know some people will jump in here and say that this process is new so there is no way they could of known, but that's just false, these dealers took a risk offering these massive sales so that they could sell a shit ton of vehicles in the name of "being fair to the customer".
Does it suck for all of the customers at these dealers, absolutely. Am I supporting Ford in how they are handling it, no. Does it suck that these dealers sales technique didn't pay off, yeah, but high risk comes with high reward. I just don't see how so many people didn't see this coming.
How can they add a 3rd shift if they are working 2 twelve hour shifts?First, add a 3rd shift, second, look at my previous post.
Ford has successfully dug the same hole Jeep put themselves in five to ten years ago.The saddest part is Ford is giving themselves a black eye by trying to punish 2-3 dealerships for following Ford's rules.
Ford needed to stay out of the mud in this and just stick to their original plan. The orders would have sorted themselves out.
Maybe 40% (being generous) of the first 3000 filled-orders would have been to 2 dealerships - but the customers would not have had a problem with that - because we all knew the rules.
People from all over the country have orders there so the Bronco would have been showing up, in the hands of enthusiasts, in a lot of different states.
Plus, all the other customers that DIDN'T go the above route would be getting theirs, too - just adding to the excitement. I stayed local, in Florida, but my dealership is small (initial allocation was 18, cut to like 6).
But, instead, Ford agreed that Galpin Ford in Southern California and Suburban Ford in Michigan needed more Broncos in one area than they had orders for - and needed other customers to be unhappy as they got sent to the back of a line and even others getting upcharged for the privilege of buying something they were selling.
It was an interesting decision process - because it isn't like the mega-dealers weren't getting Broncos or orders - they just wanted more than a small dealer was getting.
Ford messed up and there are a lot of people who have had their opinions changed about the company - and not in a good way.
But I'm glad Ford is doubling down on their misstep. Nothing says quality like refusing to acknowledge and learn from a mistake...
I am excited about the Bronco but it will be the last Ford I ever buy - and when my children (20 & 17) talk to me about buying a new car, I definitely won't recommend Ford and would suggest they cross-shop other brands.
Ford isn't trustworthy. Glad I don't own any of their stock (almost did during the height of the pandemic)...
This is a good analysis. The problem with it, from my perspective, is that it does not have any incentives to reward "good" dealers. Also the notion of a "sold" unit vs that of a showroom unit needs to be addressed. A sold unit should be be more important than a "floor" unit if you are customer focused. A sold unit represents a specific actual happy customer while a floor unit represents the possibility of some future happy customer... This analysis seems to be all about dealers and not customers. Even if Ford disagrees, my opinion is that the end customers are who need to be taken care of.I just did a search: How many Ford locations are there in the United States in 2021? There are 3,005 Ford locations in the United States as of September 28, 2021.
On this site it says 700-800 per day when 75% are Bronco, but we know that hasn't happen, so if they produce 10,000 -15,000 per month depending on the supply chain how many have been produced to date?
Let's for easy math sake, say it's 60,000 to date... I don't think they even got there yet (give me the real numbers if you have them). But for simple math, that's only an average of 20 units per dealer, there is no way a larger dealer with a great deal of lobbying power and money is going to let smaller dealers take any of their allotment. Ford may be taking the hit publicly wise, but in reality it's those dealers that are forcing Ford to shut down Garger's pipeline of what they think is their allotment due to Garger using the reservations system to sell units that they didn't already have, own or have any control over.
Ganger would need 40 units a week to fill 800 reservations in a year, that's full time job at a large metro dealer, did they really think a truck was going to show up at their dealership every day with Broncos while driving by every other dealer screaming for units?
Why does everyone think you are attacking someone if you just point out that there was risk in that business model? All I'm saying is that there was risk and that any business attempting that model should of known that there was a lot of risk in it. If the dealers didn't know the risk was that high than they didn't really think it through and if they did know the risk was that high all I'm saying is that I hope that it was spelled out clearly to every customer that it was a risky endeavor to order from them.You really don’t know much but don’t let that stop you from giving an opinion. Go to Stephens site and read all the clear cut info they gave… and find any big Ford dealer that is that up front in writing. I went to several and they all played games. There was an allocation system and Ford changed it mid-play. If you’re saying it was foreseeable that Ford would fold on it’s own processes and word to dealers and customers, than that’s saying something too.
I wouldn't call the dealers dirtbags. That's a bit much. They just took a risk that didn't pay off. They got got.Lots of reading in this one to catch up on. Anyone still defending this dirtbag?