All depends on where you live. They are on lots, almost bought one a month ago before I ended up with my rubicon
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2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road vs. Ford Bronco Badlands Youtube video
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Who cares what that top offering Turd can do stock against a lesser than top offering bronco!! The whole point of the bronco is you can get lockers from the factory and the ability to turn it into a monster. No other midsize vehicle aside from a Wrangler, (that doesn't really have a full width midsize body to start with) is going to accept 40's with relatively mild lifts and most importantly, 1/4 panels, fenders, and flare BOLT-ONS.
IF, there is not a traction mode that works well on full auto, not using the lockers, it's probably only an on-air download away from doing so. The ABS and traction control hardware is obviously already there.
IF, there is not a traction mode that works well on full auto, not using the lockers, it's probably only an on-air download away from doing so. The ABS and traction control hardware is obviously already there.
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However, I don’t think an arms tied behind the back comparison yields an accurate overall result., while I know 4Runners are awesome vehicles, the TRD Off Road is not more capable than a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, for example. Nor do I believe it is as capable as a Badlands.
OK sure - if we’re just talking about trail control comparison (a feature a 7MT buyer like me could care less about).
However, I don’t think an arms tied behind the back comparison yields an accurate overall result., while I know 4Runners are awesome vehicles, the TRD Off Road is not more capable than a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, for example. Nor do I believe it is as capable as a Badlands.
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Sure wheelbase makes a difference but It doesn't matter here. The fact is Ford's system could not figure out how to get traction to the wheels while the Toyota did. Ford has had this system on the Ranger since 2019 so has had time to tweak it...
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Afraid not. I suggest you search for my username and you will see I am on multiple Ford forums and have been for over 15 years. I also have owned many Ford's over the years and have two now.
The simple fact is Ford's system doesn't work as good as Toyota's. Does it make a difference on whether I buy a Badlands or not? NO because I will have front and rear lockers BUT for those that buy an open locker Bronco they need to know that they are more than likely going to get stuck if they depend upon Ford's trail control system
You sound more and more like a typical jeep owner.
I don't think anyone is saying that the 4runner is more capable. It's a very capable and competent vehicle, but a stock badlands and a stock Rubicon will crawl right past any level of 4runner when the rocks get big enough. Especially when you look at the lack of armor on the 4runner.
The 4runner is a great, albeit ancient platform. And while most people with off road experience will never use trail/crawl control, or MultinTefrsin Select, or GOAT modes, the reality is that Ford is advertising them HARD as a selling feature of the Bronco. Those electronic assists will help make newbies more comfortable and get people off road who have never done it before. It's fair to compare them and realize why they are doing it, and it's not for people who have been out on the trails for a majority of their lives. I'll never use any of it, I just need the locker switches. But my wife may, and if it makes her more comfortable behind the wheel on the trail, it's a win.
Toyota's crawl control works better than Fords trail control, but so far ford's Trail Turn seems to work better than Toyota's. Mainly because you can use it with the front locker engaged, Toyota doesn't have a front locker to engage. A spot they likely saw the opportunity to improve, and did.
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If the testing is just based on software, he should've brought a 30k base 2 door(or 38k sas 2 door if you want to have proper tire size) for comparison. Instead, he brought a 43k 2 door badlands, options out to be 56k....
The way the testing was done(purposely not using all the capabilities that the badlands have), it sends the message "a Bronco, even when optioned out to 56k price range, will still not outperform a 46k 4runner"
Feels biased....
The way the testing was done(purposely not using all the capabilities that the badlands have), it sends the message "a Bronco, even when optioned out to 56k price range, will still not outperform a 46k 4runner"
Feels biased....
What I really want to see is 0-60 w/ a 2.7 Bronco 4 door and a 4runner TRD or Limited or... whatever. I really want Toyota to see a 4runner get embarrassed.
We all know that these are not street racers, but in big cities with heavy interstate traffic, acceleration and torque matter.
We all know that these are not street racers, but in big cities with heavy interstate traffic, acceleration and torque matter.
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I agree he should have tested all of each vehicles capabilities and taken them on the roughest rocky trails he could fine.
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OP, can’t believe you think testing a 4dr vs. 2dr is apples to apples. The wheelbase is 9” different so unless they used a 4 door Bronco on that same spot you cannot make a definitive conclusion on the difference between trail control vs crawl control.
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Only problem with that is, Ford designed their winch mount to not work with the lux package and its ACC. So BL, WT & FE owners w/ lux package, pick one of the other (winch or ACC).
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Doesn't matter one bit whether it's 2wd, 4wd or 6wd. The Ford computer couldn't figure out how to apply traction. Now IF the Ford computer could have gotten the opposite tire to turn like it's supposed to and it still wouldn't go then we can blame it on a different wb but THAT didn't happen.
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I have been fou rwheeling for 8 years and I don't go anywhere without a winch. I will spring for the High package because I figure the cameras might be helpful
Another thought - (Edit) when he started in Mud and Ruts and changed the settings to match from there instead of normal then maybe more apples to apples. IMO, Ford's trail control is really a low speed control (i.e., not traction).
So it's not really an apples to apples feature.
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