Help me self-squatch my Badlands

[North7]

I think with the 6100’s you reuse your original springs. The claim is that they are an upgrade for the factory shocks and happen to be adjustable length for lift.

Upgrade in diameter and adjustability, however, they are not ESVC valve dual zone shocks.

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[goatman2]

I think with the 6100’s you reuse your original springs. The claim is that they are an upgrade for the factory shocks and happen to be adjustable length for lift.

And they could be an upgrade, depending on what you're starting with, and what you're going after. If upgrade only means larger diameter, then from that perspective they are an upgrade. Also, Bilstein is trying to sell shocks. Not knocking them, but I'd want more info than the outfit selling them claiming they are an upgrade.

 

[Erock]

And they could be an upgrade, depending on what you're starting with, and what you're going after. If upgrade only means larger diameter, then from that perspective they are an upgrade. Also, Bilstein is trying to sell shocks. Not knocking them, but I'd want more info than the outfit selling them claiming they are an upgrade.

I agree, that’s why I stated the “claim” part. I don’t believe most of anyones advertisements. Too much manipulation involved in advertising in my opinion, I just don’t bash anyone over it because capitalism is what makes the world go round.

 

[AMTRV]

One of the better threads in this forum….thanks guys

 

[Erock]

@North7 … yeah, I get it. I haven’t really considered any shocks to replace mine. My main focus has been on sorting through the different designs for spacers and what not. I like the factory ride, but my intentions are to get to 37’s at some point. It’s probably gonna require a combination of suspension and body lift for me. 37s because over here there’s a lot of mud and ruts to contend with, and I’m too damn old to be walking for miles to get something to get it out. Being off road for me isn’t really what most folks do… mine is mostly going places no one else wants to go.

 

[Felix808]

Upgrade in diameter and adjustability, however, they are not ESVC valve dual zone shocks.

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Yep, I say wait for the 8112's if they'll make them for our trucks
But as Goatman said if you are not increasing tire size there is no reason to lift it. Other than looks it would be a loss.

 

[4avor8ntfair]

I'm not sure if you've seen my recent post... which included my experience with the Zone 2"/1" lift/level. Personally, I would go with the Bilstein 6112 option, if I had it to do over again! I will include it in this response, so enjoy:

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...ss-pricey-installer-in-sd.52125/#post-1555641

Yes, thanks! I’d actually replied on it on Thursday, and it’s why I created this post…you and another thread got me thinking about the Zone kit. So you’re having regrets about the Zone kit now?
Hopefully you figured out the steering issues that you mentioned!
I remember you got the Zone UCA’s. Bird dog had some posts showing that he needed spacers to avoid rubbing with Zone UCA’s.
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/conversations/zone-uca-and-spacers.32151/#convMessage-278374

 

[NormanBronco]

Hey all,
I’m working towards self-squatching my non-SAS BL, and I was curious for constructive feedback on how the Zone 1221 might compare with a “cheaper” coilover option like the 6100’s. ~ $175 vs $1,100 parts.
I know there’s the perch collar options as well, and lots of coil overs. I’ve mostly settled on my decision being between Zone’s hybrid 2” lift and the Bilstein 6100’s. As far as I can tell, the 6100’s seem to be at a great point of cost vs quality…and it already came with Bilstein
I’m mostly daily driving, but want it capable. I took it to Moab earlier this year, and I’m sure I’ll go back, but I’m doing more local in Texas. After that Moab trip, I decided I only wanted and extra ~2” lift. I’ll probably only 1-3 trips per year going forward. I can’t justify $4-5k for King or Fox, but I could probably justify 6100’s.
I did already buy the Zone UCA’s when I found them on sale, as I figured it’d help improve geometry for whichever way I go.

I didn't read this whole thread and don't know if you have your heart set on aftermarket parts... BUT i do have a set of factory sasquatch coilovers, upper CAs, and 1.5" FABtech leveling kit that I took off my BB SAS. They have about 13k miles on them (maybe 5k with level kit?). The ride was amazing even with the level kit. I'm in OK so not too far from Houston. Also have SAS wheels and tires. Would be willing to meet you in Dallas if you wanted it all at a fair price

 

[acetdeucy]

Yes, thanks! I’d actually replied on it on Thursday, and it’s why I created this post…you and another thread got me thinking about the Zone kit. So you’re having regrets about the Zone kit now?
Hopefully you figured out the steering issues that you mentioned!
I remember you got the Zone UCA’s. Bird dog had some posts showing that he needed spacers to avoid rubbing with Zone UCA’s.
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/conversations/zone-uca-and-spacers.32151/#convMessage-278374

Sorry about being late to answer. Sometimes I need to work!

Bird dog is probably correct; however, I replaced my wheels and tires. I now have 9x18 wheels, with a "0" offset... meaning that the offset is enough to eliminate the need for spacers, with the ZONE UCA (I actually still have about 5/8" clearance to the UCA).

My preference would be the Bilstein's (not yet announced, when I purchased the Zones), because I feel the larger Piston offering in the 6112 gives a more positive and controlled effect on daily driving, especially at highway speeds.

Nothing terribly wrong with the Zone combo, other than I feel that they don't give you a correct castor to work towards, when you combine the UCA and the Badlands 2/1 lift/level.

I think we buy what we can afford or what's available at the time of purchase. It's your choice!

@goatman2 has recently responded to my original thread and based on his "real time" experience with alignment, offers that the required castor might need to be set a bit higher than the 3.6 where I am currently sitting.

 

[21Badlands]

I have a non sas badlands on 37's with just a zone 1" level so far for me it has been fine. It is my daily driver and so far off road trails. I'm from east coast so probably never going to moab but for what i use my truck for it has been fine.

 

[Gene Dios]

You didn't mention what tire setup you're going to run. Guessing some kind of 35 to match Sasquatch. What gear setup?

 

[4avor8ntfair]

You didn't mention what tire setup you're going to run. Guessing some kind of 35 to match Sasquatch. What gear setup?

Probably will switch to 35’s when I have to replace the tires. I wasn’t planning on swapping out the gears.

 

[Sitruc_btb]

I have a non sas badlands on 37's with just a zone 1" level so far for me it has been fine. It is my daily driver and so far off road trails. I'm from east coast so probably never going to moab but for what i use my truck for it has been fine.

37's with a leveling kit. That's nuts. And here I am worrying about squeezing 315's on a stock Badlands.

 

[VIRUS]

I put a set of 6100's on last week. Also did the big tire kit/body mounts.
They are set at the top level. Used sasquatch springs. Left factory uca alone.
Added MT 37x12.5 17 baja at's and 0 offset Rebounds.
Only put 1500 miles on it in stock form.
Since the swap, very happy with how it handles on pavement.
Long sweeping curves on rough roads at highway speed felt like the back wanted to step out. That is no longer the case. Much more planted now. Less hop over rough stuff.
Won't have it off the pavement until next weekend. It's not a pavement princess, just installed them a few days ago.
Not sure if the bump up in tire size is where the smoother ride comes from or if struts help that much but the ride is much smoother than the stock sasquatch ride.
I do not claim to be an expert. Just reporting my experience so far.

 

[21Badlands]

37's with a leveling kit. That's nuts. And here I am worrying about squeezing 315's on a stock Badlands.

I think stock wheels would rub on the fender liners and crash bar mounts these are a 0 offset.
The tires are BFG 37 x 12.50 I think they measure at 36.5
That first pic is without the 1" level.
looks like your getting built this week based on your signature Good Luck

Here is a pic with the 1 " level installed

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