Help me self-squatch my Badlands

[Sitruc_btb]

I think stock wheels would rub on the fender liners and crash bar mounts these are a 0 offset.
The tires are BFG 37 x 12.50 I think they measure at 36.5
That first pic is without the 1" level.
looks like your getting built this week based on your signature Good Luck

Here is a pic with the 1 " level installed

Thank you! If all goes well. That's the blend date on the window sticker. I've seen some stock Badlands with 35's, though most have different offset wheels to clear the control arm. I like the factory wheels myself, so I'll swap some 35" Firestone MT2's (34.4") , and see what I need to clear the suspension.

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[Tricky Dick]

But as Goatman said if you are not increasing tire size there is no reason to lift it. Other than looks it would be a loss.

Yes and no. A lift without bigger tires will not improve your minimum ground clearance, but your average clearance will improve. The number one thing that's been holding me back is the low belly height. I'm moving to a 2" lift and hoping that's the sweet spot, even though my 35s fit perfectly fine with no lift.

 

[Felix808]

Yes and no. A lift without bigger tires will not improve your minimum ground clearance, but your average clearance will improve. The number one thing that's been holding me back is the low belly height. I'm moving to a 2" lift and hoping that's the sweet spot, even though my 35s fit perfectly fine with no lift.

But if you trade a great suspension for on ok suspension it's a definite loss.
But I understand your point

 

[goatman2]

Yes and no. A lift without bigger tires will not improve your minimum ground clearance, but your average clearance will improve. The number one thing that's been holding me back is the low belly height. I'm moving to a 2" lift and hoping that's the sweet spot, even though my 35s fit perfectly fine with no lift.

After I put the Raceline wheels on, I thought it needed 35's to look right. But, after a few days it grew on me and I like how it looks with the new wheels and 33's. However, my guys heard me say that and went ahead and ordered a set of 35" Falken Wildpeak A/T's (one of my favorite tires). Now I have to decide if I'm going to put them on...pretty likely.

So, you have 35's with no lift. Assume you removed the crash bars? Wondering if I should try it or go ahead and install part of the level kit I ordered. Real issue for me is my wife getting in easily.

 

[Tricky Dick]

After I put the Raceline wheels on, I thought it needed 35's to look right. But, after a few days it grew on me and I like how it looks with the new wheels and 33's. However, my guys heard me say that and went ahead and ordered a set of 35" Falken Wildpeak A/T's (one of my favorite tires). Now I have to decide if I'm going to put them on...pretty likely.

So, you have 35's with no lift. Assume you removed the crash bars? Wondering if I should try it or go ahead and install part of the level kit I ordered. Real issue for me is my wife getting in easily.

Yes crash bars had to come out. Other than that, no rubbing at any time. Not going overboard on offset helped I think, I just did +18. I think it looks fine as it is, I'm just tired of getting high centered all the time.

 

[goatman2]

Yes crash bars had to come out. Other than that, no rubbing at any time. Not going overboard on offset helped I think, I just did +18. I think it looks fine as it is, I'm just tired of getting high centered all the time.

Thanks. My wheels are also +18. Think I'll just add the spacer at the bottom of the shock, at the lower A arm and see how it goes.

 

[kodiakisland]

Yes and no. A lift without bigger tires will not improve your minimum ground clearance, but your average clearance will improve. The number one thing that's been holding me back is the low belly height. I'm moving to a 2" lift and hoping that's the sweet spot, even though my 35s fit perfectly fine with no lift.

Yep. I've retained the same tires and gone from stock Hitachis to Badland Bilsteins to Icons 2.5s. My clearance at the rear axle has remained abysmal. My departure and breakover angle however have gotten better with each upgrade. On the 2dr, dragging the belly (transmission skid) isn't going to happen often if I do my part.
I'm currently 26.5 inches front and 27.5 inches rear center hub to metal fender. Stock was around 23. Even with the same tires I've gotten better trail performance with the lifts, even though the axle still drags as much as it ever did.

I also opted for the ASFIR transmission skid as it was the only one I found that was flat with the frame. Most of the designs incorporate space for the 2.7L cross members, which I don't have. I did not want to lose an inch of the clearance I gained in the lift.

 

[Cysquatch]

Hey all,
I’m working towards self-squatching my non-SAS BL, and I was curious for constructive feedback on how the Zone 1221 might compare with a “cheaper” coilover option like the 6100’s. ~ $175 vs $1,100 parts.
I know there’s the perch collar options as well, and lots of coil overs. I’ve mostly settled on my decision being between Zone’s hybrid 2” lift and the Bilstein 6100’s. As far as I can tell, the 6100’s seem to be at a great point of cost vs quality…and it already came with Bilstein
I’m mostly daily driving, but want it capable. I took it to Moab earlier this year, and I’m sure I’ll go back, but I’m doing more local in Texas. After that Moab trip, I decided I only wanted and extra ~2” lift. I’ll probably only 1-3 trips per year going forward. I can’t justify $4-5k for King or Fox, but I could probably justify 6100’s.
I did already buy the Zone UCA’s when I found them on sale, as I figured it’d help improve geometry for whichever way I go.

Interesting that stocksurplus has a table for a 2-door application when they are officially for 4-door only (confirmed by another dealer, suspensionlifts.com and Bilstein customer support). The dealer said that they would "lift the 2-door too much" whatever the hell that means and directed me to the 5100s. The CS rep at Bilstein said that the shocks for the 2-door are indeed the 5100s and the 4-door are the 6100s. He also mentioned (off the record) he didn't see why the 6100s wouldn't work on a 2-door. This video shows they work just fine on a 2-door:



What that said, that's a great price for the 6100s since everywhere I've looked they are over $1200 for a set. The 5100s are under $600 for the set. I have a 2-door BaseSquatch and am considering the 1.7" Front/1.4" Rear lift the 6100s offer. I too am considering 37" in the future.

 

[Cysquatch]

OK, first question is what tire size you're going to run? Self-squatch seems to imply 35" tires. Sasquatch lift over normal Badlands is only like .5" more, which will handle 35's with a bit less offset in the wheel. Why do you want more lift?

You said mostly daily driver, but want to do a few trips to Moab. I've been to Moab a ton of times, and for Moab I'd strongly prefer a stock Badlands. The stability of the lower height, lower center of gravity, and 33" tires is perfect for Moab. So, why do you want a lift?

The stock Bilsteins on the Badlands have slightly more travel than the SAS shocks, which is a nice thing. The stock Bilsteins have pretty good position sensitive valving, which is pretty nice, and could be pretty hard to improve on. A simple 1" spacer lift and the stock shocks could easily handle 35's and keep the pretty darn good shocks. So, why do you want a lift? What are you thinking you will gain by lifting more than necessary and replacing pretty darn good shocks with something that might not be as good for what you want to do? 6100 shocks have a slightly bigger diameter. Bigger diameter allows more fluid volume which gives more cooling, and more cooling helps the shocks to not fade when running hard for longer distances. If you're not going to run hard in the desert for long distances, then you're giving up the position sensitive shock valving of the stock Badlands shocks for no good reason. The position sensitive valving resists bottoming out on hard hits and jumps, and it resists full extension shock when jumping or a really big hit with big rebound. Without that a car should have limit straps to keep from damaging the shock with fast extension bottoming.

So, you asked for a bit of feedback. Why do you want to change shocks and lift your Bronco more than it needs?

After reading your post, I am not going to lift my BaseSquatch or go with 37's. I'll save the money and invest in skids plates. Me and my wallet thank you sir.

 

[NJRoadkill]

No lift (yet) Crash bars removed.
MT Baja Boss A/T 35x12.5r17
KMC 17x8.5 +18

I ordered a GRT Off-road 1.25 front-only collar lift, just in case.

I’m holding out to see if Ford Performance will offer a OE+ lift or some version of the HOSS 3.0.

Otherwise, I’m going to put on (ARB) Old Man Emu at some point. Main Line Overland installed Old Man Emu on a 2 Door and the height looked perfect without changing out the UCA or getting too funky with geometry. As other have said, it’s less about the tires, and more about the turtle

OE 285 KO2

MT Baja Boss A/T 35x12.5

NOTE: The CG 4D in the background is a big bend with a Zone 2” Spacer Lift On HOSS 1.0. Same Tires. Was in for alignment.

35” MT ”Poke” on +18 offset.

285 KO2 “Poke” on +18 offset

NOTE: Non-SAS fender flares.

 

[4avor8ntfair]

No lift (yet) Crash bars removed.
MT Baja Boss A/T 35x12.5r17
KMC 17x8.5 +18
Otherwise, I’m going to put on (ARB) Old Man Emu at some point. Main Line Overland installed Old Man Emu on a 2 Door and the height looked perfect without changing out the UCA or getting too funky with geometry. As other have said, it’s less about the tires, and more about the turtle

OE 285 KO2

MT Baja Boss A/T 35x12.5

NOTE: The CG 4D in the background is a big bend with a Zone 2” Spacer Lift On HOSS 1.0. Same Tires. Was in for alignment.
NOTE: Non-SAS fender flares.

Love the Roswells! I was looking for some and I think they’re discontinued

 

[NJRoadkill]

Love the Roswells! I was looking for some and I think they’re discontinued

Damn! I got them last year before my build came in. Before the Everglades was announced. I had a lot of issues getting a set of 5 together, but TireRack tracked them down. I just thought it was because of restraints. Didn’t know they discontinued them. Shame. Offset is perfect @+18; splits the difference between OE +35 and 0. They look better then the AnalogHD imho

 

[4avor8ntfair]

This weekend I added 1.5” wheel spacers, which I calculated I needed for clearance with the Zone UCA that I’m installing later this month. The total offset comes to ~+17. I ordered the SAS flares but actually love the look with the standard flares. I think I’ll still keep the SAS flare order and have them painted body color.

 

[SnowBronco]

Put in the bilstien 6100's on the highest setting this last weekend to go with some toyo at3's. 35x12.5x17 on some +1 offset fuel shok wheels. The height sits at 40 1/4" to the edge of the flare on the front and 41 1/8" out back. So a little rake.

 

[Mzekew]

For reference, I have a base bronco upgraded with badlands suspension + 1inch level kit + 33s and it is the same ride height as my SAS Badlands on true 35.5inch tires.

I’m very curious about your BL suspension swap in your Base, as I’m considering doing the same thing. Would you mind sharing what you paid for the BL take-off parts? Did you install them yourself or have a shop do it? Besides a realignment and headlight adjustment was anything else needed?

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