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Me too, but the 2.3 matches my Coyote past 2k. The 2.7 is on roids with a tune!I have and I STILL want the 2.7L w/MT.
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Me too, but the 2.3 matches my Coyote past 2k. The 2.7 is on roids with a tune!I have and I STILL want the 2.7L w/MT.
That might be a factor, but the bigger thing is that the 2.7 has never been offered with a manual, and there are design and machining changes that need to be made to make an engine designed exclusively for auto usage compatible with a manual.
Ford probably just doesn’t have enough of a business case to make the changes of adding another variant of the 2.7 engine to their production line. (For reference, the 2.3 has always been available with a manual or auto, so they don’t need to make any major changes to it)
Also, Ford has been going wild with dealer installed tunes that let you keep your warranty, and a tuned 2.7 would definitely exceed that manual transmissions rating.
Another reason is that the bellhousing is integrated into the transmission housing, so they would need another variant of the mti550, and there probably isn’t enough of a business case for that either.
Torque applied at the wheel (max torque multiplied thru the gearing of the transmission, transfer case and differential) is almost identical between the 2.3/MT and 2.7/AT with a very slight edge to the 2.3/MT. My guess was that Ford did not want to cross a threshold somewhere whether that was the transfer case or differential by offering up the manual behind the 2.7L. They do have to warranty these combinations.Think about this. If you want torque, the 2.3 in crawl gear will likely match or beat a non Sasquatch 2.7 in 4L. If you want speed (especially on the street), the auto will accelerate much faster light to light than the stick. I would love the 6/7 combo too, but the 2.3 isn't off the mark that much. Just trying to add some positive in case you have to have the 7 speed. Don't want to see you too depressed about the coolest vehicle to come out in 50 years.
And this all happens a couple days AFTER the B&P goes live and performance settles down.Plot twist: Ford always intended to offer the manual with every model, but launched it saying the opposite. Then later, after the enthusiasts are whipped into a tizzy, they "give in" to demands. In a PR moment of glory, they release the manual across all options and seem like the most attentive automaker ever.
Hey the Aztek was only 20 years ago!Think about this. If you want torque, the 2.3 in crawl gear will likely match or beat a non Sasquatch 2.7 in 4L. If you want speed (especially on the street), the auto will accelerate much faster light to light than the stick. I would love the 6/7 combo too, but the 2.3 isn't off the mark that much. Just trying to add some positive in case you have to have the 7 speed. Don't want to see you too depressed about the coolest vehicle to come out in 50 years.
A guy I work with drives a lifted F250 and says his dream truck is a Honda Pilot. Amazingly, he's kept this lie up for years now with a straight face.Hey the Aztek was only 20 years ago!
I would guess internal, same as most all manuals anymore. Fewer parts on the assembly line.I am curious to know if that 7 speed has an internal or external slave.
I hope that everyone who is chirping online about a MT buys one. Tweeting at Mike is free, let's see the reservation dollars.
Ford is a for profit company that has spent a ton of money and time market researching this. The reality is if people were actually going to buy a MT they'd make it but the trends in the industry are clear.