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Review: I drove a manual at the Off-Roadeo

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Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but was this the TX location you attended? Attending this weekend.
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Thanks for this. What I find in the JKUR is the 4.0 transfer case 4L is too low when you get to open trail sections and want to hustle up. But in 1st and 4L you can just idle / feather up and over a lot.

Question—trying to remember when I sat in the dealer roadshow one and played with the shifter—does the shift lever spring to the center 3-4 gate? On the JKUR the shifter is sprung in a way that if you let it center in Neutral - that would be the 3-4 gate. So the way to get into first is go past the "natural center" and down into 2nd, then up into first, the way from 2nd to third is to let it go to "natural center" and then straight up, and the way to 5th is for right / up. 2nd to 3rd is a nuance that takes getting used to, and isn't always easy to. find with all the motion on the trail.

I am hoping the Badlands with the 3.06 transfer case 4L, the open trail running is a little easier, and that super low crawler crawl ratio is like and a little better than the JKUR.

Based on the calcs, looks like it will be:
Badlands​
JKUR​
C
94.7​
1
61.6​
73.1​
2
34.0​
42.8​
3
20.9​
28.2​
4
14.4​
20.5​
5
11.2​
16.4​
6
9.3​
13.8​

RPMs in 6th at 25 MPH on 285/70-17s:
Badlands: 2313
JKUR: 3432
I sat in a Badlands manual during the dealer roadshow, I'm pretty sure I remember the manual springing back into the 3-4 gate when left in neutral.
 

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So they had a manual in the mix at the Off-Roadeo, there were 12 Broncos in our group and nobody wanted to drive it. Day 1 I said I would if I had to but would rather have an auto because that's what I ordered and wanted to have my first experience driving a 2021 to be in that. They went ahead a swapped it out for me. The second day I was like why not and I drove the manual. I got to lead the group both days, Bronco 1 in group 1 of the first day for customers, so that's cool! Driving the manual went so much better than I thought it would so I wanted to share that experience.

First some background: I have quite a bit of time off-road in a manual. My first Bronco, an 89, was a manual and I've been out to the local rock park quite a bit. So in my previous experience, off-roading a manual was a TON of work. There is one particular trail that has big rocks spread a few feet apart running several hundred yards through tight trees. The rocks are large enough that you have to throttle over most but are spread out such that you can't maintain any speed through the trees. Getting through this trail involved using the clutch about 1000 times. My calf hurts just thinking about it...

Now to yesterday and the 2021 manual. So the first trail was a run-off wash with a few knee deep water holes and decent sized rocks spread throughout. I started off in 1st (not Crawl), 4 low, sta-bar disconnected, front and rear unlocked. I touched the clutch once to get in gear, after that I wheeled that entire trail without ever needing the clutch. It crawled through effortlessly. I was averaging 1.5 to 2 mph @ 1k rpm and only had to use very small amounts of throttle to maintain that over obstacles. There were several slightly-technical uphills and downhills later in the day that I used 1st instead of Crawl was fine. First was very low and I felt like I had enough speed control for most anything you'd see in general trail riding. I could start from a standstill in 2nd with very little feathering and even used it on several mild uphills and didn't stall.

Crawl gear was just that, a Crawl, less than .5 mph. Definitely don't plan on carrying any speed in crawl, it is LOW. LOADS of torque, it ate-up the rocks. I could literally crawl over most obstacles with almost 0 throttle and rarely had to use clutch on even technical sections. I made the comment to our guide that it felt like driving a tractor, so low and torque-y. It was everything it needed to be.

Down hill was super controlled (in any gear). The engine breaking is out of the world. On average downhills it slowed all the way down to like 1500 rpms, it was amazing.

Given it was the first time driving THIS vehicle (and anyone who has driven a manual knows they're all different) and it was in an off-road situation, I think I only killed it like 3 or 4 times all day. In most cases if I would have went into the obstacle locked I wouldn't have had an issue. We were trying to show the capabilites and the Bronco so the general train of thought was go in with as little as possible then enable features as needed.

The shift pattern was fairly tight so I had to hunt for the gears a bit but that comes with time in the seat. Not using the lock-ring on Crawl got me a couple of times and I ended up in 2nd.

On the Baja track I was in 4-high and second gear. I was averaging 15-30 mph (the speed limit was 25 but I pushed it a tiny bit). It was powering through the curves like a boss, no power issues with the 2.3L in my opinion. Again, loads of torque.

Overall I was blown away and would not hesitate to recommend the manual. There wasn't a single case where I felt it made things more difficult that I wouldn't attribute to familiarity. If I had a few weeks behind the wheel it would have been smooth as butter.

Personally I still would rather have the auto for a few reasons: First, I'm lazy and too old to be stepping on the clutch at every stop light. Second, the 2.7 is a BEAST. I don't think the 2.3 is underpowered by any means, but that 2.7, wow... Third, the technology that you miss out on is a shame. The trail control and the turn assist are AMAZING, AMAZING.

So I'm sure I missed something, please feel free to ask questions.

Note: This pic is from the first day, not the manual.
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Great write up on the manual experience.

I'm signed up for the OffRoadeo mid-August, and want to drive the manual since my build is a 2.3L 7MT non-squatched Badlands.

Questions:
1) What was the trim on the manual you drove? Squatched or not?
2) Do you get to pick which vehicle you drive?
3) You mention the manual had no takers. Since I want to drive the manual, do I need to "sign up" for a manual to make sure I get to drive one?
4) I've read the gearing is a bit tall in 2nd and 3rd. Did you experience any stalling due to low revs/boost?
 
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Great write up on the manual experience.

I'm signed up for the OffRoadeo mid-August, and want to drive the manual since my build is a 2.3L 7MT non-squatched Badlands.

Questions:
1) What was the trim on the manual you drove? Squatched or not?
2) Do you get to pick which vehicle you drive?
3) You mention the manual had no takers. Since I want to drive the manual, do I need to "sign up" for a manual to make sure I get to drive one?
4) I've read the gearing is a bit tall in 2nd and 3rd. Did you experience any stalling due to low revs/boost?
1) It was a non-sas Badlands, standard package.
2) You did get to pick your Bronco but they were already lined up for the group so it was first come first served so if you want a specific one for a feature you'd better go scope them out and go strait to that one when it's time.
3) I think your case will be the exception to first come first served. They have manuals out there for you guys that got one, just let them know you want the manual at check-in.
4) I found the gearing very appropriate in low, didn't get it over 30 in high so I didn't get any experience there.
 
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Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but was this the TX location you attended? Attending this weekend.
Yes, TX is the only one open right now (it just opened Monday).
 

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Thanks for the write-up! I've been searching all over for something like this and have only found 1 demonstration and its with a Jeep JL.
Given the ability of this that you described, sounds like a lot of fun! CANT WAIT
 

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So they had a manual in the mix at the Off-Roadeo, there were 12 Broncos in our group and nobody wanted to drive it. Day 1 I said I would if I had to but would rather have an auto because that's what I ordered and wanted to have my first experience driving a 2021 to be in that. They went ahead a swapped it out for me. The second day I was like why not and I drove the manual. I got to lead the group both days, Bronco 1 in group 1 of the first day for customers, so that's cool! Driving the manual went so much better than I thought it would so I wanted to share that experience.

First some background: I have quite a bit of time off-road in a manual. My first Bronco, an 89, was a manual and I've been out to the local rock park quite a bit. So in my previous experience, off-roading a manual was a TON of work. There is one particular trail that has big rocks spread a few feet apart running several hundred yards through tight trees. The rocks are large enough that you have to throttle over most but are spread out such that you can't maintain any speed through the trees. Getting through this trail involved using the clutch about 1000 times. My calf hurts just thinking about it...

Now to yesterday and the 2021 manual. So the first trail was a run-off wash with a few knee deep water holes and decent sized rocks spread throughout. I started off in 1st (not Crawl), 4 low, sta-bar disconnected, front and rear unlocked. I touched the clutch once to get in gear, after that I wheeled that entire trail without ever needing the clutch. It crawled through effortlessly. I was averaging 1.5 to 2 mph @ 1k rpm and only had to use very small amounts of throttle to maintain that over obstacles. There were several slightly-technical uphills and downhills later in the day that I used 1st instead of Crawl and was fine. First was very low and I felt like I had enough speed control for most anything you'd see in general trail riding. I could start from a standstill in 2nd with very little feathering and even used it on several mild uphills and didn't stall.

Crawl gear was just that, a Crawl, less than .5 mph. Definitely don't plan on carrying any speed in crawl, it is LOW. LOADS of torque, it ate-up the rocks. I could literally crawl over most obstacles with almost 0 throttle and rarely had to use clutch on even technical sections. I made the comment to our guide that it felt like driving a tractor, so low and torque-y. It was everything it needed to be.

Down hill was super controlled (in any gear). The engine breaking is out of the world. On average downhills it slowed all the way down to like 1500 rpms, it was amazing.

Given it was the first time driving THIS vehicle (and anyone who has driven a manual knows they're all different) and it was in an off-road situation, I think I only killed it like 3 or 4 times all day. In most cases if I would have went into the obstacle locked I wouldn't have had an issue. We were trying to show the capabilites and the Bronco so the general train of thought was go in with as little as possible then enable features as needed.

The shift pattern was fairly tight so I had to hunt for the gears a bit but that comes with time in the seat. Not using the lock-ring on Crawl got me a couple of times and I ended up in 2nd.

On the Baja track I was in 4-high and second gear. I was averaging 15-30 mph (the speed limit was 25 but I pushed it a tiny bit). It was powering through the curves like a boss, no power issues with the 2.3L in my opinion. Again, loads of torque.

Overall I was blown away and would not hesitate to recommend the manual. There wasn't a single case where I felt it made things more difficult that I wouldn't attribute to familiarity. If I had a few weeks behind the wheel it would have been smooth as butter.

Personally I still would rather have the auto for a few reasons: First, I'm lazy and too old to be stepping on the clutch at every stop light. Second, the 2.7 is a BEAST. I don't think the 2.3 is underpowered by any means, but that 2.7, wow... Third, the technology that you miss out on is a shame. The trail control and the turn assist are AMAZING, AMAZING.

So I'm sure I missed something, please feel free to ask questions.

Note: This pic is from the first day, not the manual.
20210628_152806.jpg
One of the most informative manual write ups. Much appreciated
 

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Awesome information and super encouraging review for those of us with the MT on order. Especially coming from a clearly experienced MT off road driver!
 

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This is the type of review I’ve been looking for. Real world type wheeling from one of us everyday users. Exactly why I ordered the 2.3/7mt on a BD. It gives me more equipment than I’ve ever wheeled with on my Jeep, and I’ve put them through their paces on several occasions. The fact that you can just dump the clutch and let it eat, I love it. Absolutely cannot wait for my build date and delivery.

thabk you for the great review!
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